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[edit] Intro

The article seems to be gushing with unsourced praise, and can't really be said to be written in an objective tone. As I don't know much about the subject, it'd probably be best if someone who does would perform a rewrite. --Impaciente 01:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


Note that this is a duplicate article. There is another version up at Ferdosi. DanKeshet Plus plenty of redirects to Firdausi. Wikipedia should not kow-tow to third-world adolescents who insist of the most preposterous transliterations conceivable of names of natives.

In order to distinguish yourself from "third-world adolescents" you don't need to make a first-rate bigoted ass of yourself in a collaborative project like Wikipedia. Try to behave like a civilized person if you can. As for your outrage and emotional sensitivity to orthography, all I can say is you show me a standard that I can use, and I will be happy to take that into consideration in the future. In the absence of any such standard, should we lowly third-worlders first seek the approval of Your First-World Eminence prior to contributing to Wikipedia?    --K1 22:02, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)


I redirected Firdausi; something that you could have done instead of the much longer and useless line that you had put in there. Why do you think the REDIRECT feature exists in Wikipedia? Anyhow, if this is really causing you to lose sleep at night, feel free to make "Firdausi" the title and redirect "Ferdowsi" to it.    --K1 16:44, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

In order to avoid transliteration controversies like these in the future, despite all of the renderings in question (Firdausi, Ferdosi, Ferdawsi, etcetera) being based on accepted transcription orthographies, I would like to suggest that in future we limit entries such as these to being titled in their original alphabets. Sure, it will make the Wikipedia impossible to use for anyone not already intimately familiar with what they are looking up, but it will make people happy.--KASchmidt 03:56, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I just noticed something: 935-1020? He died at age 85 in the eleventh century? What was he eating, and can I have some? Is this accurate? I have him being born in 941 in a book from 1905 (The Shahnama of Firdausi, part of Truebner's Oriental Series, "introduction by Edmond Warner"); this seems like a more reasonable lifespan, but not by much.--KASchmidt 08:04, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Name Change proposal: "Ferdawsi" or "Firdawsi"?

The title of the article should change to "Ferdawsi", since it was the master's real and correct name. In all Persian texts and manuscripts including Shahnameh his name is written "فردوسی" (transliteration: ferdosi) and not "فیردوسی" (firdawsi). However, lingisticly has been observed that the New Persian has lost the "aw" sound, which is now replaced with soft "o". Therefore writing “Ferdowsi” is also incorrect (“aw” sound still exists in number of Iranian languages such as Kurdish and Dari). ← ← Parthian Shot (Talk) 13:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

The title of the article should stay exactly how it is because it is correct. According to US Library of Congress, the correct transliteration of the "eh" sound in "فردوسی" transliterates to "i," hence "Firdawsi." "Firdawsi" is how the majority of academia spells it and how Persian books in Iran translate his name.
Library of Congress Persian transliteration tables, which use Firdawsi as an example under Vav section

http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/romanization/persian.pdf

Library of Congress article on Persian literature using Firdawsi

http://www.loc.gov/rr/amed/guide/nes-iranianworld.html

Academia article using Firdawsi

http://www.jstor.org/view/13561898/ap020018/02a00210/0

Artin e Bozorg 10:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
There are hundreds of examples where "Ferdowsi" is used in academic journals. Examples: [1], [2], [3]Sangak 17:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
They are using it incorrectly, the official US LOC transliteration is Firdawsi. Further, most major encyclopedias use Firdawsi. Encarta [4], Columbia [5] [6], Britannica [7]
They are using it Incorrectly, since the official US LOC transliteration is Firdawsi?! Who cares what the US official LOC says. The correction of term should be consulted by academic and scholarly references, and not a governmental organisation. However, the point of reference should be “Encyclopaedia Iranica”, as the main and most correct and accurate source of information about Iranian civilisation and culture. ← ← Parthian Shot (Talk) 04:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I support the move to the correct spelling (Ferdowsi) --Rayis 00:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
The standard transliteration of his name is related to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Persian) (which is still debated). I think Firdawsi is more consistent with the academic transliteration schemes which are used for Classic Persian. However, when another spelling is much more widely used (for example Ferdowsi,Sarbedaran, compared to Firdawsi,Sarbadaran), the most common spelling takes precedence over the standard transliteration. Jahangard 22:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Born 935 or 940?

In many websites i see that Ferdowsi was born in 940. such as here: [8]. I just wanted to make sure. --Arad 22:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name Change?

It's Pirdawsi, NOT Ferdowsi http://www.iranian.com/History/2007/April/Pirdawsi/index.html 24.200.254.13 18:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Describing Ferdowsi

I am sorry, but who ever wrote this description needs to understand a few fundimentals about Persian poets. Ferdowsi purposly tried to write the Shahnameh in pure Persian (Parsi/Farsi) He only included some 500 arabic words in the entire work. Therefore describing him as 'a pious muslim' is very misleading. Please do not make religious references when describing Persian poets. If you want to be accurate refrain from this language. Afterall one does not describe Beethoven or Mozart or Verdi as good christians. Their religion has nothing to do with their artistic ability, and they themselves have never made any references to that fact. Espacially Ferdowsi. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Behzadbayati (talk • contribs) 14:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Conflicting legends

There are two legends in the article, with differences of detail (money/dystich, camelloads of silver). That's the way legends go, but they should be merged or at least put together.