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as "inventor of the alphabet", has it been suggested that the name has a relation to that of the Phoenicians? dab (ᛏ) 20:26, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

What is the correct phonetic way to pronounce: Auraicept na n-Éces, Goídel mac Ethéoir? Thanks ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 05:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

"Auraicept na n-Éces, Goídel mac Ethéoir"
Its obviously not modern irish but from my (limited) grasp of the tongue, i'd say; "Aura-kept na Nayk-esh, Gweeddle/Gwiddle Mack E(soft e)-hore. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.70.60.248 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
See Old Irish language#Phonology. My best guess for a 7th-century pronunciation is /ˈɑuɾˌɑkʲɛpt̪ n̪ɑ ˈɲeːgʲɛs/ and /ˈgoiðʲɛl mɑk ˈɛθʲeuɾʲ/. The modern versions would be Uraiceacht na nÉigeas (/ˈʊɾəkʲəxt̪ n̪ə ˈɲeːgʲəs/) and Gaoidheal (or Gael) Mac Eitheoir (/geːl mɑk ˈɛhoːɾʲ/). --Angr 21:38, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
/ˈɑuɾˌɑgʲɛpt̪/?? Hence ModI Õraigeacht ~Õirigeacht?? Do you know what these names mean? Disposition(?) of the wise? Irishman son of liar?? Mongvras 22:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
The Modern Irish word uraiceacht means "first instruction, primer; elements, rudiments". "First instruction, primer" is also the translation given in the Dictionary of the Irish Language (i.e. Old/Middle Irish) for airaicecht, of which auraicept is a spelling variation (the p because aicecht/aicept is a loanword from Latin acceptus). So it's "The Sages' Primer". As for Goídel mac Etheoir, Goídel was probably first an ethnonym for Goidelic speakers and then given to a legendary "founder of the race". I have no idea what his father's name *Ethér (the presumed nominative to the genitive Etheoir) is supposed to mean. It's not in the dictionary. --Angr 22:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)