Talk:Fenian raids

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[edit] Painting and Battle Box

Hi,

I have contacted Archives to see if I can get a copy of the painting mentioned in the article:

(A well-known fanciful painting of the skirmish in the National Archives of Canada depicts a green flag with the letters IRA over a gold harp; in fact, the most common Fenian emblem at this time was a sunburst.)

I am wondering if we should create a Battle Box for the Fenian Raids? Envelope 22:26, 2005 August 5 (UTC)

The image is actually in use on the Battle of Ridgeway page, which also has a battle box. --BruceR 05:24, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Two articles?

Why is there two in-depth articles on the same subject? Perhaps, the Fenian Raids article should be shortened a link to the main article added? Envelope 12:08, 2005 August 6 (UTC)

Actually, until last week there were three... much of what's in Fenian Raids now came from Fenian Brotherhood. But Ridgeway was just one of two fights in one of five distinct raids stretched over five years. You need an overarching article that links all the battle writeups within a campaign (there are three so far that I know of) together. The analogy would be the differences between the Hundred Days article and the Battle of Waterloo and Battle of Wavre articles, to take one of a hundred possible examples.--BruceR 15:22, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I'd say the preferable logical next step would be to continue to flesh out the other four raid subheadings a little more. Then Fenian Brotherhood is free to focus on the Fenians as an Irish-American political organization, Fenian Raids can focus on the overarching military history, and the individual battle writeups on the circumstances of the specific skirmishes. Any other approach will just lead to more redundancy in the long run, I suspect. --BruceR 15:29, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Bruce, I think that is a good idea. The Fenian Raids page could be setup similiar to the North-West Rebellion page, to allow users to find information quickly. What do you think ? Envelope 16:14, 2005 August 6 (UTC)

I created a skeleton format for the topic, we just need to put the meat on the bones :) WritersCramp 22:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm trying changing the subject head to "Niagara raid," to make it more obvious where future Ridgeway-battle-specific material should go (ie, not here), and I put them in chronological order... Campobello needs to go first, obviously. The NWR article needs a lot of fleshing out, as they admit on the talk page... right now it's just repeating the battle page info, and is scanty on the campaign info... frankly I think they should break that page out into the actions of Middleton, Otter, and Strange's columns, plus a subhead on the initial massacres, and group the various skirmishes according to which of the three prongs of the Canadian advance they belonged to. Then you'd end up with something similar there to what's shaping up here... a "war" write-up, with subheads for individual "campaigns," and separate battle writeups, which seems to be the best way to go with milhist in Wikipedia.--BruceR 06:31, 7 August 2005 (UTC)