User:Fedayee/LesarBaguirov Evidence

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Contents 1 Ehud (not convinced, eh?) 1.1 Ehud and Adil, same positions and ideologies 1.2 Ehud Lesar, in light of the various socks and impersonation of Adil of other nationalities 1.3 Checkusers validity 1.4 Batabat, Ehud and Adil 1.5 Promoting Adil 1.6 Admission by others 1.7 Adil and Ehud live in the same geographic location

[edit] Ehud (not convinced, eh?)

[edit] Ehud and Adil, same positions and ideologies

First of all, Ehud claims to be Ashkenazi [1], according to The Lesar Name in History: ASIN: B000W1P5OS, it is Slovenian, and its uses as a Jewish last name is from Iberian and for Sephardic, not Ashkenazi Jews. Sephardim.com claims it is Sephardic too [2].

Ehud Lesar, who claims to be a Jew, supports positions of the extreme nationalists in Azerbaijan and also, an exclusively Adil myth on Sevan (located in the republic of Armenia).

AdilBaguirov wrote: Thus once more, if Shaumyan declared some independence, then definitely so did Zangezur and Geycha in Armenia. [3]

AdilBaguirov wrote: That is most of Zangezur, Geycha, and certainly all of Karabakh were recognized by US as legitimate parts of Azerbaijan. [4]

Ehud Lesar: Let me give you an example for you to understand the same pro-Azeri effect if one creates an article on Geycha and Zangezur Republic, or whatever a group of Azeris may call it. I think it even has some sort of an official name. That group of Azeris claims these territories, i.e. Zangezur, or Syunik province of present day Armenia, and Geycha district, or Sevan province of Armenia today, are Azeri territories and historically have been.

When the similarities between Adil’s and Ehud’s position are raised, Ehud Lesar writes: If one or other user shares the same views on Zangezur (Syunik) and Geycha (Sevan), that doesn't mean I have be one of them.

If we search on talkpages, we find that only Adil has ever called Sevan, Geycha. Others raised it because it was raised by him, or another one discovering someone had made the change. Ehud isn’t only claiming something which is claimed by others, it was a claim EXCLUSIVE TO ADIL!!! We see here on the map (the Azerbaijani representation of then republic) that while Zankezur was disputed by Azerbaijan, Sevan WAS NOT! Also, Ehud is not saying Sevan (Geycha), he is saying Geycha (Sevan), a land which is not disputed and part of the republic of Armenia. Only Adil did this.

Ehud considers what happened in Khojali as genocide [5] and calls it extermination. [6]. Now, SURPRISE SURPRISE, who calls it genocide? A few ultra-nationalist Azerbaijanis and one of the most known, Adil Baguirov. [7]

In the same diff, we see Algeria included; it is known that the strongest adherents to the thesis of an Algerian genocide aren't even the Algerians but the Turks, the lobbyists, and the newspaper which has various issues raising it in the Turkish weekly, which Adil Baguirov is a contributor of. The Jews are also one of the strongest opposers of the claim that there was genocide in Algeria because the Jews were one of the groups who suffered the most during the Oran massacre and the subsequent crimes… intimidations which prompted them to nearly entirely leave Algeria. And witness how in his list the Armenian example is missing… in fact Ehud, just like Adil, denies the Armenian genocide: but I do condemn any Turk who committed massacres of Armenian civilians as much as I condemn any Armenian who committed the same acts on Turkish civilians 100 years ago. Ehud is a supporter of the ridiculous “both sided massacre” revisionist claim which is maintained by those who deny the Armenian Genocide and mainly supported in the West by Justin McCarthy, whose article the socks of Adil have also edited.

[edit] Ehud Lesar, in light of the various socks and impersonation of Adil of other nationalities

Adil has already impersonated being English, Armenian, Uzbek, Kazak, Jewish, and Iranian.

Weiszman (Adil Baguirov sock) registered on March 3 and only started contributing on articles on March 21 2007, then his next contribution will be on April 3 2007, in the meanwhile Ehud Lesar was registered (March 28 2007). Ehud Lesar’s registration date coincides with one event: the confirmation that AdilBaguirov will be banned. In the voting process of the arbitration committee, Paul August from March 27 to 28 started making different proposals opposing various bans, though he will be supporting AdilBaguirov’s ban. [8] By this support, AdilBaguirov knew that his fate was settled and it was only hours later that Ehud Lesar was registered. Ehud Lesar, while having registered on March 28, didn't edit until May 22 2007. Weiszman will be editing until April 11 2007, he will get caught and consequently banned.

On 15 May 2007 Earthdream appears [9] in support of Atabek’s tag of Turkophobia, revert warring and so on. He continues with another account (Zipirtich), created the same day. [10] Just after, another account was used, continuing where other accounts left off. [11] And again, yet with another account, [12], another [13] and another [14]. The accounts not banned will then later return and will be subsequently banned.

Then, there are no socks for 6 days. On May 22 2007 Ehud Lesar started editing; he'll stop on June 15 for a while. From May 22 to June 15 there are no socks of Adil reported; the socks will only reappear after June 15. AdilBaguirov created his account DrAlban and started contributing on June 19, 2007, before he was caught the same day. He contributed on the Church of Kish and Movses Kaghantvatsi. [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25].

After he was caught, Zhirtibay continued [26], [27], [28]. Here he impersonated a Kyrgyzstani, with the Zhirti Bay. Checkuser has again FAILED to find any link between Adil and this individual, when it is obvious it is him, much like it was obvious that it was DrAlban. See for example the day both accounts were used.

The same day DrAlban is banned, Adil creates another account, this time Aramgutan, pretending to be an Armenian. He'll continue where DrAlban has left off, of course, [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37].

He is banned and “coincidentally”, another user appears, Otvetniyudar, and continues, [38]... all the same. He is banned and then, another user appears, another Armenian, HachikTumanyan (a weak attempt at trying to make the name sound Armenian, I must add) [39].

Another account is created, [40], Adil pretended now to be English. Banned, he continues his editing in Iranian related article, with again an Armenian term (another weak attempt). [41].

Now, Ehud comes in, 4 days after the account is banned (I have probably missed or others have missed sockpuppets this would explain why 4 days are missing). He first edits Jewish related articles, but then adds the UN related pages regarding Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. The pages are deleted, but Administrators can view them, the one created by him on 06:12, June 29 2007. He also created on 03:51, July 2 2007 the resolution 822 and 853, on 03:52 he created the resolutions number 874 and 884. The one accessible to public remains this. [42]. AdilBaguirov was the user who added those resolutions’ links in the articles prior. [43], [44].

After few edits, he starts editing the Church of Kish article and its talkpage supporting Grandmaster etc. [45], [46], [47], [48], [49], [50], [51], [52], [53], [54], [55]. Then he edits the Movses Kaghankatvatsi talkpage, the other article edited by Dr. Alban and some of the other socks. [56]. His contribution could be described as reverting Armenian users to the versions of Azerbaijani users.

He then engages in changing Azizbekov’s changes or reverts them, in support of the Azerbaijani editors who were opposing those changes. [57], [58], [59], [60], [61], [62], [63].

He resume by reverting Hetoum I on church of Kish. [64]

Reverts VartanM on Khurshidbanu Natavan. [65]

Reverts Hetoum I, claiming Karabakh Khanate to be Azerbaijani. [66], change on Khurshidbanu Natavan to turn the coverage into destruction by Armenians. [67], [68].

The only thing which seemed to stop the socking in three different situations was the presence of Ehud. Adil Baguirov has been using various different names prior and after Ehud contributed. Ehud was registered in the interval of hours after it was confirmed that he will be banned, a week prior the case was closed.

[edit] Checkusers validity

Even if Adil had not used an open proxy, on May he changed his location. For example, here he is said to be from Baku State University.[69]

[edit] Batabat, Ehud and Adil

Batabat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) Grandmaster and LaraLove say that Ehud contacted them and offered to talk to them on the phone or webchat[70] [71]. This is similar to what User:Batabat offered when he was blocked as a single purpose account[72].

These are his first four contributions on Wikipedia. [73], [74], [75], [76]. Replaced Persian with Turkic (Adil did this numerous times). Then the next thing he does is to go to Khoikhoi's talkpage to defend Adil, ehmmm…, I mean "Dr. Baguirov" from his words. [77], [78]. Then the next thing he does, he votes to keep the FORK article [79], [80], Then he voted to oppose an FA article. [81] He becomes member of the Azerbaijan Wikiproject. [82] Then he pushes Adil’s sarcasm to its end, with a 100% Adil comment on his userpage. [83] After that comment he is blocked as a sock. This obvious sock then wants to be unblocked. [84], he emails an Admin and wants the email to be posted here. [85] Check the similarities, he proposed to call him or webcam him to prove his identity. Batabat after being unblocked claims that he has to finish two books excusing his future absence. [86] This was on March 13, two days after the Church of Kish article was created. The logical explanation would be that the email to the Admin was made hours or a day or two later, which closes the gap for those two days. Fedayee’s assertions are without a doubt correct, such obvious cases with a mountain of evidence would normally not even require a checkuser.

The above evidence was originally posted by Eupator on AN/I[87], I have altered it to correspond with the rest of the evidance. . VartanM (talk) 19:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Promoting Adil

You're free to be either obsessed with or pretty much obviously impressed by him, but please stop dragging me into "being" someone I am not just NOT. [88] Here, Ehud Lesar, is claiming that another member is obviously impressed by Adil who thinks a lobbyist who acts as an ambassador of Azerbaijan in the United States is someone to be impressed about. He repeated this more recently: I must say that it's rather positive that you're so impressed by Adil Bagirov; so impressed that you happen to follow his life cycle, but I think you should free your mind from the name Ehud Lesar. [89] Ehud knows that we know he is Adil, this comment is the same sort of sarcasm Adil or his other socks were using. VartanM (talk) 23:36, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Admission by others

• User:Grandmaster claims that "...Armenian users, who want to get rid of one of Azerbaijani editors"[90].
• User:Atabek suggested that Ehud Lesar might have been a made up name. ..."argument about Ehud Lesar's username has absolutely no relevance to the question whether he is Adil or not. There is no Wikipedia rule that says a contributor is not allowed to register a username of his choice." [91].

[edit] Adil and Ehud live in the same geographic location

From his own admission Ehud Lesar lives in Texas [92] not unlike Adil who splits his time between Washington, D.C. and Houston, Texas, where he works for an international energy consulting firm. [93]