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[edit] Olympic Torch Bearer

There isn't any mention of Fedor carrying the Olympic torch in his biography, this is a huge achievement and should be added as soon as possible in my opinion. Stevenronaldson (talk) 11:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] free agent

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=11698 according to this fedor is a free agent now after m1 was purchased. is this worth noting anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.247.69.78 (talk) 07:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chuck's Statements

Chuck Liddell did not specifically claim Fedor was signed, his words were too vauge for any conclusions like that. His statement could have easily mean that he is currently in contract negotiations, shown interest, or simply just heard small talk from the big guns at the UFC —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soundtech04 (talk • contribs)

Those both are accurate, nice catch. Also, please remember in the future to sign your posts with ~~~~. east.718 00:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
No problemo boss- Soundtech04 01:08, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Mostly in order to experiment with actually editing something, I made a minor change to the sentence about Liddell's speculation on Fedor and the UFC. The original version started with "In a recent interview with Chuck Liddell, Liddell stated that," which made it sound like Fedor was part of the interview. I think it's clearer now.Aptninjajefferson 20:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BoDog

Personally, I'm in favor of deleting the entire second paragraph. Original research, NPOV, etc.

Comments? Tuckdogg 01:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

It would be nice if it was sourced, but I haven't found anything reliable. Go for it, and burn the picture too. east.718 05:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
...done and done. Tuckdogg 12:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I think the new Bodog stuff is an improvement on the previous paragraphs, but not mentioning the supposed rope grab isn't really NPOV. I think it was enough of a controversy that it merits mentioning; what else about the Lindland fight is notable? 70.18.21.206 20:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I finally found something on it from the Houston Chronicle. east.718 11:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

After reading the Houston Chronicle article (and becoming briefly distracted by the spectacularly dumb comments below it) I propose the following sentences regarding the "rope grab" contoversy:

Early in the fight, Lindland opened a cut above Emelianenko's left eye and clinched with him, pushing him into the corner and working for a takedown. At this point, the referee warned Emelianenko against grabbing the ropes and Emelianenko corrected. After a few seconds working in the clinch, Lindland attempted a bodylock takedown. When Lindland lifted Emelianenko from his feet, Emelianenko reached for and made contact with the top rope; whether he grabbed it or only touched it remains a subject of disagreement. Emelianenko reversed Lindland's takedown and landed in his half guard. The fight remained on the ground and Emelianenko won by submission via armbar at 2:58 of the first round.

I think it's closer to NPOV; leaving the rope grab out essentially takes the position that he didn't do it. I'm a big Fedor fan, myself, so it's possible my edit remains biased. I think the combination of this narrative and the link to the Chronicle article -- which takes the position that he used the rope to reverse, and ignores video evidence suggesting that Fedor's foot is at least briefly planted before they both go down -- would present a balanced perspective.Aptninjajefferson 15:25, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

That looks like it passes WP:NPOV with flying colors to me. east.718 21:46, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I'll second that. It's certainly better than anything else we've had in the article before. Tuckdogg 02:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to reveal my depthless ignorance, here, but if you boys want to go with that edit I think someone else should implement it. I haven't done this before; apparently Fedor is one of very few subjects I care enough about to get off my ass. I'll check out the tutorial, but it seems like you guys have invested a lot of time and attention in this article, so I'm inclined to let you do the actual carpentry. Let me know what you think.Aptninjajefferson 17:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Done, thanks. east.718 21:57, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Style changes

I've made the following changes to the article:

  • Added {{persondata}} along with the required parameters—see WP:PERSON for more information.
  • Per WP:MSH, removed special characters from headings.
  • Removed all contractions outside of quotes.
  • Removed "s" from units of measurement that demarked plurality.
  • Per WP:FN and the CMS, moved footnotes right after a punctuation mark with no space in between.
  • Per WP:UNITS, when doing conversions, used standard abbreviations.

east.718 02:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Box containing record breakdown

I really don't see the need for this; it takes up a lot of space and is made redundant by one line of text directly above it. Additionally, succint prose is always preferred over large lists or tables.

Boy, aren't you guys ANAL! This is exactly why noone takes this site seriously anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.108.181.98 (talk) 02:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The chart was factually incorrect to boot. east.718 10:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Disagree, the table can be improved. Personally, I prefer table instead of one line text, for fighters with different wins, losses and no contents or draw, that line looks bad, example:

28 wins (6 (T)knockouts, 13 submissions, 7 decisions, 1 other), 20 losses (5 (T)knockout, 10 submissions, 4 decisions, 1 other), 2 no contest, 2 draw

Two tables that I made:

18 Wins 4 Losses
(T)Knockout 10 0
Submission 3 2
Decision 5 1
Others 0 1
Draw 0
No Contest 0
Total 22 matches

or

22 matches 18 Wins 4 Losses
(T)Knockout 10 0
Submission 3 2
Decision 5 1
Others 0 1
Draw 0
No Contest 0

As there is no consensus about it. I moved these record to Infobox table. Carlosguitar 14:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The second table looks better to me, and I agree that it would be more suitable than text in cases of fighters with records that would be convoluted as text. However, I also think this should be decided on a case-by-case basis, and 27-1-0-1 is not hard to write out. east.718 11:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I did another thing. What do you think? The small table can still be improved. Carlosguitar 09:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
That's a great solution! I made some tweaks, what do you think? east.718 15:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Cool, I liked. I hope we reach consensus now. Carlosguitar 01:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding the loss of Fedor

I find it humorous and even cute that the people that edit Wiki, who have so much knowledge and time to do this for all of us would not know that TK hit Fedor with an elbow! NO, Fedor didn't allege that it was an elbow, it WAS an elbow, there is nothing to allege. You can see the elbow strike on the video. TK has said in plain Japanese that it was an elbow! This is too funny. Every single human being that has seen the fight knows it was an elbow. Why give TK the possible credit and discredit Fedor when everyone knows it was an illegal strike? The ref said it was an elbow too.

question, first of all i want to say im a fan of fedor and i dont want to take anything away from him, but shouldnt the article mention that tk was not trying to hit fedor with an elbow, i mean if anyone watches that fight, isnt it obvious that tk threw a looping punch and fedor used head movement to get out of the way and by coincidence (or irony) tk's elbow came in contact with fedors head? (either way it shouldnt have been a loss, but in one case tk losses for cheating, and in the other its a nc due to unforseen circumstances, right?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.27.62.219 (talk) 04:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be considered a stoppage rather than a TKO since the fight was indeed stopped due to a cut re-opening? MMAfan2007 19:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Stoppages are TKOs. Or do you mean that the reason should be "doctor stoppage" instead of "cut?" east.718 19:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
But normally TKOs in the MMA world are considered as stoppage by ref due to inability to defend yourself. The loss should be considered "Doctor stoppage(cut)" rather than TKO. MMAfan2007 21:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
That's incorrect. According to the NJSACB's rules, "if an injury sustained during competition... is severe enough to terminate a bout, the injured contestant loses by technical knockout." The NSAC states that "if a contest or exhibition is terminated because an unarmed combatant is injured, it may be adjudged a technical knockout to the credit of the winner." In RINGS, a TKO is recorded in the case of a referee/doctor stoppage, or five knockdowns (two rope breaks also count as a knockdown). east.718 21:34, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Was this fight in New Jersey? I don't think so. MMAfan2007 18:57, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I just stated RINGS' rules next to that. Also, I mentioned Jersey's rules because they are the de facto rule set for sanctioned mixed martial arts. I've been trying to locate RINGS' rules online but can't find them, so I'm just going off what one of my old RINGS tapes says. It's really difficult to find info on RINGS because they went defunct five years ago and a lot of matches before 1997 were worked or had kayfabe elements. east.718 19:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
East is correct, TKO encompasses referee, corner, and doctor stoppages. Also chokes that render a fighter unconscious are TKO (when he does not tap). So when you asked "Wouldn't it be considered a stoppage rather than a TKO since the fight was indeed stopped due to a cut re-opening?" it is actually kind of redundant since in MMA a TKO and a stoppage are the same thing. Thesaddestday 22:16, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blogs

In response to this edit [1], I received this message on my talk page:

I recently restored a source you removed from Fedor Emelianenko, which you rationalized by saying "blogs are not reliable sources." Normally this is the case, but WP:V#SELF says that self-published material is permissible when it is by a "professional researcher in a relevant field." Ivan Trembow is one of the lead writers for MMA Weekly, an editor-in-chief for IGN, and a respected journalist in the field. Additionally, most of the articles on his blog are copies of articles written at MMA Weekly, since their articles expire from public view after a while.
Some community discussion took place a while back here and a consensus was reached that Trembow's blog does qualify as a reliable source.
Please reply on my talk page if you have any concerns. Thanks! east.718 19:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The removed text reads:

This impressive victory against a perennial contender catapulted him into the upper echelon of the sport.

My main reason for wanting to remove this is not exactly that it is sourced only by a blog, although that is reason enough. I am trying to cut down on the peacocking in Wikipedia articles, especially related to MMA fighters. These articles are usually edited almost exclusively by fans, and so this kind of unencyclopedic, adulatory language slips in. In my opinion, the article is not improved by this statement, which only serves to sell the greatness of the article subject to the reader, and not contribute much factual information. The fact that it is cited by a blog makes it even more tenuous, although I did not remove blog citations elsewhere in the article. --Ryan Delaney talk 21:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I cited that paragraph to Trembow's blog because it's the only source I found—I agree that ideally there shouldn't be any blogs cited at all. It's quite difficult to find sources for older events in MMA because of the lack of reliable sources covering it at the time, and it doesn't help that Sherdog's pre-2004 archives are broken, MaxFighting went offline, and The Wrestling Observer is not really searchable. east.718 21:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, sure. Can you respond to my point about the lack of encyclopedic value in this statement, sourced or not? --Ryan Delaney talk 21:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
How's it look now? east.718 22:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Much better! Thank you. --Ryan Delaney talk 23:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)



[edit] External Links

What is the rationale for removing external links? I came here to add a link to his official site but I found that the External Links section has been deleted before. Why? if you look at other MMA fighters' pages, pretty much all have External Links. 129.97.29.13 04:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

It's already linked to several times in the references, the same goes for his Sherdog profile. The PRIDE profile isn't that helpful because the promotion doesn't exist anymore, and the last link was an online petition. I welcome more outside input on this.  east.718 at 07:19, August 31, 2007 
I don't think it matters that it's in the references, a lot of people jump directly to External Links without going through the 64 references or the entire article looking for the links. The fact that almost every other fighter has External Links should say something. 74.103.163.40 16:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
That makes sense.  east.718 at 16:48, August 31, 2007 

[edit] Fedor pic

i'm a fan of fedor and all but we really should get rid of that one pic. hes in such a bad position. seeing this just makes my stomache turn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.247.68.66 (talk)

Do you own a better image? We need of a image licensed under a free license. Carlosguitar 02:06, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree.. we need a new picture. he looks like elmer fudd in that one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.89.66.95 (talk) 23:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Next opponents after the new contract

I guess Fedor's next destination must be the UFC. Tanigawa Sadaharu, the president of Fighting Entertainment Group (FEG) which hold regular K-1 events including Hero's, Dynamite! and Grand Prix, already mentioned the negotiation between his organization and Fedor Emelinanenko was not going well. Moreover, Dana White already confirmed (not 100%, though) the negotiation with Fedor is almost done while the only reason of detained official release is just because Fedor's participation of other sambo events in his own country, Russia.

Therefore, now I really am curious about which fighter is going to be Emelianenko's next opponent and the after. Surely, his next bout is almost confirmed against the current UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture. It might be the reason why Randy's next bout schdule is not released yet. Originally, since Randy had a match against Gabriel Gonzaga in August, and against Tim Sylvia in last April, maybe December is the appropriate time for Randy also. Plus, Randy is the powerfully attractive for drawing TV viewers into Spike TV, which had the broadcast right of UFC, so UFC doesn't have any reason not to make Randy's appearance in December. I guess UFC might be waiting for Fedor's final confirmation, and just after that, they may release the match between PRIDE heavyweight champ and UFC champ.

I am also curious about, if Fedor wins the match, who is going to be the first challenger for him. Lots of changes happen in the UFC heavyweight division with joining former PRIDE heavyweight fighters, so it is going to be really exciting to expect Fedor's contenders. Nogueira, who was the eternal No.2 in PRIDE following Fedor, again? Or Tim Sylvia? Or winners against Mirko Cro Cop, who has been toughest challenger in the career of Emelianenko, Cheick Kongo and Gonzaga? Oh, I cannot wait matches after Fedor's arrival in UFC. Meganext 02:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Given that he isn't signing with the UFC, I'd say this whole discussion would be moot.Tuckdogg 03:13, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Gee, you are right. If the information is definitely correct, the match-up cannot be realized. But, considering power balance among MMA organizations which is the essential to balanced development of MMA market, Fedor's decision could be right. Now, hopefully want M-1's success, without following IFL or WFA, even bodog's a helluva lot of failure. Meganext 07:46, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

finally, it is decided that Hong-Man Choi will be Fedor's next opponent. Many Korean media are worry about the bold challenge Hong-Man just made. Meganext (talk) 10:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nickname

i heard fedor being called Cyborg ever since they were talking about a superfight between him and coutore (i.e. captian america vs the russain cyborg), anyways i think the name stuck even though the fight may never happen, because ive heard him being called that now without referring to the superfight —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.27.62.219 (talk) 04:18, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

maybe, in my opinion, Fedor is seldom called 'Cyborg'. (Perhaps it's more appropriate Evangelista Santos who just call himself Cyborg). His well-known nickname is 'Last Emperor' because he is from Russia which was monarch country a century ago, and in my memory some of the Russian emperor's name was Fedor. Anywayz, 'emperor' is much better than 'cyborg', considering he is now at the top of MMA. Meganext (talk) 10:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

-for nicknames i added the russian experiment. i've heard them call him this in pride —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.86.179.34 (talk) 15:56, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I've removed it, since no reference citation was provided for that being an actual nickname. Keep in mind that an offhand remark by an announcer is not a nickname, but if you can actually cite to a reliable source that he had that as a nickname at some point it could go back in. Gromlakh (talk) 16:32, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

-do a google search for like fedor russian experiment. its common knowledge, although i think he is not called this often anymore. i think it was more during the rings time. suppose i'll find some sources to make the wikinazis happy. brb —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.86.179.34 (talk) 21:56, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

-heres are some but there are many more out there. i dont have time because i need to get back to work before i get yelled at. http://www.leechvideo.com/video/view2213629.html http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjyc7_the-russian-experiment http://bigdaddyving.multiply.com/video/item/3 http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3785&zoneid=13 http://www.themmaboards.com/showthread.php?t=632 http://www.sherdog.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-365736.html http://www.mmaworld.org/showthread.php?t=1889 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.86.179.34 (talk) 22:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Middle name

The Spanish version of this article has his middle name written as "Vladimirovich". I would add it to his page but I don't know how it is spelled in Russian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.9.73.219 (talk) 00:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

The German page also has this as his middle name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.9.73.219 (talk) 00:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I checked the Spanish page. Problem: there's no citation for it. I wouldn't have a problem with it being added (even without an accompanying Russian spelling for it) as long as it's properly referenced. If not...then it's original research. Would be great if we could find a reference for it, though. Gromlakh (talk) 00:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Fedor's nationality

The facts is:

1. He born in Ukraine.

2. His surname is 100% Ukrainian.

3. In his early fights he even fought under the Ukrainian flag (checkout the last seconds of this vid: youtube.com/watch?v=pp4o1vzQvik ).

So, I think that it is better to say that Fedor is Russian/Ukrainian, but not just Russian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.223.25.133 (talk) 18:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Great, the Ukrainian nationalists again. go back to your filthy hole, UPA dog! Fedor grew up in Russia, he only was in Ukraine for 2 yrs, he has a Russian passport. end of story. stop claiming what doesn't belong to you! now you bastards say that ancient RUS dukes were Ukrainian! You say that ancient Rus itself was Ukraine! oh, yeah, the whole world is Ukraine! keep telling yourself that, fucking Orange asshole! I am half-Ukrainian myself, people like you just piss me off! oh, and no, his surname is NOT "100% Ukrainian"! You know how many people in Krasnodar, Stavropolie, and other areas of RUSSIA, have last names that end with "-enko"? millions! myself included (Levchenko). fucking uneducated banderovitz nazi, you have no place here, go, save your antisemitic, suppremacist theories for others (hint, maybe your brothers in Poltava will listen to your preachings). You people are the reason for all the hatred between Russians and Ukrainians these days! its people like you that should have perished in the Holodomor, seriously!--SergeiXXX (talk) 04:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Please stay civil or go away, thank you. - PietervHuis (talk) 17:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Not up to you to tell me to go away, banderlog pig! You get out of my country, filth! Ukraina belongs to Ukrainians, not banderlog nazis!--SergeiXXX (talk) 03:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Sergei, you say "You people are the reason for all the hatred between Russians and Ukrainians" and then add "its people like you that should have perished in the Holodomor, seriously!" ... right... very convincing... not. P.S. Good luck with your application to be an Admin!! --David from Downunder (talk) 04:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


FEDOR NO UKAINIAN ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fedor_Emelianenko/Archive_1#Fedor.27s_Nationality_and_country_of_birth This issue has already been discussed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.96.196.85 (talk) 05:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

He's a Ukrainian-Russian. Ethnic Ukrainian living in Russia. - PietervHuis (talk) 16:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Negative. This was already discussed as a part of an edit war last year. Fedor identifies solely as Russian, not Ukrainian. Unless you have a source more reliable than his own word for him being Ukrainian, go with the consensus reached here. Gromlakh (talk) 17:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
He considers himself Russian because he's a Russian national. He hasn't _denied_ his herritage anywhere so that's completely irrelevant. Fact is he's Ukrainian-born and an ethnic Ukrainian. Just like how for example Adolf Hitler is Austrian-born (even though he violently considered himself German). Here are sources that dub him as a Ukrainian-born Russian too: [2][3][4][5] so I'll change it to that instead of "ukrainian-russian" - - PietervHuis (talk) 18:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
That's fine; I'm not disputing the fact that he was born in the Ukraine. I believe that has been pretty conclusively established. I just haven't seen anything arise since the last consensus that established that he's ethnically Ukrainian. Gromlakh (talk) 21:02, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Good, let's keep it this way then. You can tell he's an ethnic Ukrainian by his surname. His grandparents are also from Ukraine (he said so in an interview).- PietervHuis (talk) 21:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Your arguments are not convincing. Klitschko brothers were born in Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, they are regarded as Asians? We correct facts. FEDOR NEVER UKRAINIAN YOURSELF! IT IS 150% FACT! He was born in the region with a predominantly Russian population.

You Ukrainians, and you want to make of the Russian champion, a Ukrainian champion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fedor_Emelianenko/Archive_1#Fedor.27s_Nationality_and_country_of_birth

Actually the region he was born in is predominantly Ukrainian, although most speak Russian. His family name is also Ukrainian. And no I'm not Ukrainian and I do consider him a Russian champ since he's a Russian national. - PietervHuis (talk) 20:02, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

He never considered himself Ukrainian !!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.96.196.85 (talk) 20:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


You have assumed the right to determine the nationality of Rights? Fedor always considered themselves Russian ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.96.196.85 (talk) 20:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Take it easy man. It doesn't say he's Ukrainian, it says he's Ukrainian-born. Has he ever denied that? No. So yes he's 1) Russian, but also 2) Ukrainian-born. - PietervHuis (talk) 20:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
To me, there is no dispute that Emelianenko was born in the Ukrainian SSR (it's the first sentence of the main article - "Fedor Emelianenko was born in 1976 in Rubizhne, Luhansk, part of the Luhansk Oblast region, presently a part of Ukraine..."), but how much weight is afforded by placing it in the lede and as a category. As Emelianenko self-identifies as Russian ("I want to stay on top and show people that Russian fighters are very good... I want to represent myself and to be honored by the Russian people."), I believe that undue prominence is afforded to his place of birth by a mention in the lede, an ethnicity which he doesn't even claim. east.718 at 02:13, April 9, 2008
He considers himself a Russian NATIONAL, that has absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity. And even if he would deny his heritage (which he hasn't), so? If he considers himself Chinese that doesn't make him Chinese does it? Ukrainian-Russians are well documented people (See: Ukrainians in Russia) and it may be noticed that he's one in my opinion. - PietervHuis (talk) 02:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm not going to take sides in the issue about "Ukrainian-born". I don't care whether that's there or not. The issue with the category is that it appears to suggest that Fedor is of Ukrainian ethnicity. I realize that is your opinion, and in fact you may well be correct. What I have still yet to see from anyone, though, is a citation to any reliable, third-party source that says he's of Ukrainian ethnicity. Your attempts to explain his statements of being Russian as that of being a "national" only are not a source, nor are your (or the various anon IPs) explanations of his allegedly Ukrainian name sources. The standard for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. He cannot be identified as ethnically Ukrainian without a verifiable source. If there is no such source, he cannot be included in that category, period. Gromlakh (talk) 03:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
-enko is by defenition a Ukrainian name, there's many sources for that."The most typical Ukrainian surname ending is -enko, which is not found in any other ethnic group, and is commonly found in central and eastern Ukraine."[6] His parents were from Ukraine, his grandparents were from Ukraine (so he said himself), what should be more interesting is a source that claims he does _not_ have Ukrainian ethnicy. - PietervHuis (talk) 04:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
"The most typical Ukrainian surname ending is -enko, which is not found in any other ethnic group, and is commonly found in central and eastern Ukraine." Yeah, and also in Krasnodar, Stavropolie, and many parts of Russia. C'mon, give it up already. My neighbour's last name is Melniachenko, he is from Irkutsk. There goes that theory. --SergeiXXX (talk) 03:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
"Source A says Emelianenko ends in -enko, source B says -enko is a common Ukrainian suffix, so Emelianenko must be Ukrainian" is original synthesis and doesn't fly. And the absence of evidence of a source that claims otherwise isn't evidence of absence. east.718 at 04:35, April 9, 2008
Uhm it sounds more like WP:SENSE, Claiming that an Emelian-enko from Ukraine isn't Ukrainian is the the same as claiming Eisenhower wasn't a German-American. - PietervHuis (talk) 04:52, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
You're still completely missing the point. There is no source that says he's Ukrainian at all. You can talk until you're blue in the face about suffixes, who's born where, etc., but that doesn't change the fact that the article contains exactly zero sources identifying Emelianenko as ethnically Ukrainian. However, Fedor gives many interviews (properly sourced in the article and here!) in which he identifies as "Russian", with no mention of being "Ukrainian", despite being born in and hailing from what is now a foreign country to Russia. So, according to what's in the article and properly sourced at this point in time, Fedor is Russian. Period.
You are the one making the claim about his ethnicity that is currently not supported by reliable sources. Instead of citing sources, such as interviews or anything else where someone says conclusively "Fedor Emelianenko is of Ukrainian ethnicity", you're instead attempting to use original synthesis to draw your own conclusions from the evidence that you see and requesting that we prove a negative that he isn't Ukrainian (which isn't logically possible). Your analysis may be correct. It also may be correct that Fedor is purely Russian, but his family lives in the Ukraine. Perhaps also his mother (or another relative) could have married a Ukrainian and his family name was changed early in life. There are a million possible explanations for that; yours does not win out simply because it makes sense to you.
This does not mean that I'm advancing one of the above theories over yours in the article. Far from it, because that would be as much original synthesis as what you've done. I'm simply telling you that we have to follow Wikipedia policy and go with whatever the sources say. The sources in the article say he's Russian and say nothing about him being Ukrainian. The sources win. Fedor's Russian, until such time as you can produce a better source that clearly states his ethnicity as "Ukrainian" and does not require guesswork on the part of the reader. Gromlakh (talk) 13:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Look, he's a Ukranian nationalist a UPA/UNSO Neo-Nazi. They say Tsar Vladimir of Rus was Ukrainian. They say all ancient Rus Dukes and Archdukes were Ukrainian. To them, the whole freaging world is Ukrainian! Not much to do about that. Just ignore them.--SergeiXXX (talk) 03:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pics

I found this japanese site, there's a lot of Fedor's pics under Creative Commons good enough to upload here. take a look guys [7] (Marty Rockatansky (talk) 10:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC))

Non-commercial and non-derivative work are not allowed on Wikipedia. See WP:SD#I3. Carlosguitar (Yes Executor?) 19:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fedor's father

Fedor's father is not a steel worker, instead according to his official website, his father is gas-electric welder. So you could do that minor change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.162.148.51 (talk) 23:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fedor and TKD?

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200601/200601180031.html

Do you think we should add a little footnote about that in the training part? I was thinking just something small like "In 2006, Fedor blah blah blah..."

Final Justice (talk) 04:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fedor's first fight

Fedor's first fight against Martin Lazarev took place on May 20, 2000 in a RINGS Russia event. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.193.186.204 (talk) 16:27, 23 May 2008 (UTC)