Talk:Federation of Zionist Youth

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This article was nominated for deletion on May 20, 2006. The result of the discussion was speedy keep.

[edit] Notability under question?

FZY is the oldest and largest Zionist Youth Movement in Britain being nearly 100 years old. A Google search for "FZY Zionist" returns over 3000 entries, every single one of them about the movement in question. [1] It has a vast and rich history that has involved many members who have gone on to hold high positions in the Jewish and Israeli communities. FZY's notability is utterly unquestionable. Dino246 14:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The primary guideline for notability of a company or organization as stated in Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)is: "A company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject." There is no evidence in the article that this is the case for FZY and I could find no evidence on line. Before you cite any such sources I would recommend reading through Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) to make sure it is not excluded. I think that if no such sources can be found the best arguemnet for notability would be to argue the "The organization’s longevity, size of membership, or major achievements", which can also be considered per the guideline. Also you mention former members holding high positions, do any of them have pages on Wikipedia, that might help. [[Guest9999 15:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)]]

Abba Eban mentions FZY in his autobiography as he was a very active member and an editor of the FZY journal The Young Zionist. The Jewish Chronicle is replete with references to and articles about FZY (and the Young Zionist Societies as they used to be known) as are most British Jewish papers. A cursory search of Israel's Jerusalem Post turns up over a dozen articles [2]. I really don't believe that FZY's notability is questionable. I will concede that the article needs a bit of work though. It appears to have been mostly written by members. This is not really surprising given the nature of youth movements - a few of them probably took it on as a project to develop FZY's Wikipedia article. I'll see what I can do to enhance the article with independent sources and references but I don't believe that the notability tag is justified as it is definitely isn't a candidate for deletion. Perhaps replace it with the 'doesn't quote its sources' tag. Dino246 17:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I think you're probably right and FZY is notable, I agree that the article needs a lot of work as among other things it doesn't cite sources and it doesn't really say why FZY is notable. [[Guest9999 00:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)]]

I changed the tag to unreferenced. I'll have a go myself when I get a chance but that should encourage others to help out rather than getting us sidetracked into a discussion about notability or even possible deletion which is clearly not the issue in this case. Dino246 05:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)