Talk:Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina

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[edit] Army

When exactly did the army control change? "Recently" is going to be wrong soon, there should be a date. Key45 21:40, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hmm. I wanted to find this but it seems surprisingly difficult. The best references I found are:
  • [1] a report on March 2003 intentions of the High Representative
  • [2] a brief news item on Sept. 2003 decisions by the High Representative, saying the united army command will go live on January 1st, 2004
  • [3] March 2004 speech by the President of the Presidency, talking about reforms that will open the path towards membership in the Partnership for Peace, and later NATO
  • [4] April 2003 talk about reforms and some laws being passed by the HR
  • [5] Federation Defence minister interview that mentions a joint ministry and joint army command being established through 2003 and 2004, as well as other things
Overall, google has pretty much failed me... :) --Joy [shallot] 22:20, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
[6] Bosnia's first unified army platoon deployed to Iraq. Cordless Larry 08:50, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
It changed when the constitution changed. This, in the legal system of B&H and its entities is the only relevant date. I'll research it, but if someone has time before can look it up on the parliamentary websites of which there are three. The Republika Srpska one is lame and hates Mozilla, but the other two are palatable. --Ogidog 04:56, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding the Brcko District

The claim that the Brcko District is not part of either the Federation or Republika Srpska might de facto be true (that is how things are run on the ground), but de iure it is false. If the Brcko District is not part of either entity, this would imply that the District is in fact the third entity. This would be a major breach of the general framework of the Dayton peace agreement (and the constitution of Bosnia-Herzegovina), which states that the country is internally composed of only two entities. Also, the Brcko District as 'not part of either entity' would make the territorial formula agreed at Dayton (49% of Bosnia-Herzegovina as Republika Srpska, 51% as the Federation) unworkable. OHR, Office of the High Representative (http://www.ohr.int), provided a clarification on the status of the Brcko District, stating that the District is in fact a condominium of both entities. This means that the territory of the District is shared by both entities, although the entities exercise no executive power there. In other words, the Brcko District territory is both Republika Srpska and the Federation. Technically, this would apply to the whole territory of the District - in that way, there is no third entity, and 49-51% formula is (somehow) preserved. That said, it should be pointed out that the Brcko District was proclaimed on the whole territory of the prewar Brcko municipality. According to the Dayton map, 42% of the prewar Brcko municipality (including the town of Brcko) ended up in the Republika Srpska, while 58% of the prewar Brcko municipality ended up in the Federation. Although the Brcko District was proclaimed in 1999, IEBL (Inter Entity Boundary Line) within its territory was never officially abolished; IEBL plays no administrative function within the District, except to mark the line beyond which the Bosnian Serb Army (Vojska Republike Srpske) traveling through the District can not go (and vice versa for the Federation Army). Thus, it remains unclear how the entities hold the condominium over the whole District if the IEBL still exists on the books, and the District was created out of uneven chunks of both entity's territory. Given the fact that the Republika Srpska never officially accepted the arbitration result (one of the reasons IEBL was never officially abolished), the only solution is to show the Republika Srpska territory within the Brcko District (42% of it) on the Republika Srpska entity map, but color it differently, and the same formula should be used vis-à-vis the Federation territory within the Brcko District (58% of it) on the Federation entity map. When you put all of this together, you have a map of Bosnia-Herzegovina showing only two entities but also acknowledging the existence of the Brcko District - the neutral position.

p.s.

The 'condominium' idea or the Brcko District is demonstrated by the way in which people declare themselves within the District. Citizens of the District have a right to hold entity citizenship of either Republika Srpska or the Federation, and have the right to vote on their entity's elections, although they are banned from serving in either entity's army. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.98.134.34 (talk • contribs) 00:53, 15 January 2005 (UTC)

Good job -- good explanation!!! --Ogidog 04:58, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Expansion

The article is much less detailed than the Republika Srpska one (Republika Srpska being the other entity of Bosnia and Herzegovina). Cordless larry 02:13, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Looking at the Republika Srpska page then to the Federation page there needs to be an expansion for the page. Both make up Bosnia and Herzegovina so the Federation should have a great deal to talk about too. Let us even the score and for once give them equality in an unequal world. Let not the injustices of the world come to Wikipedia. tduwhs 22:52, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Since this article is still less detailed than Republika Srpska, I added it to the Requests for expansion page. Cordless Larry 17:46, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sarajevo bigger than Zagreb

These pop. figures seem to be inflated. Sarajevo's population shrank after the war. Seven hundred thousand people means that its pop. almost doubled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.157.231 (talk • contribs) 01:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I just checked the source for the population figures, and it does correspond to what we have here, but you're right, all of the 2006 figures seems odd, and the table of figures says they're a 'calculation'. The Sarajevo article, on the other hand, says this:
Since no official census has been taken since 1991, the exact population of Sarajevo cannot be known. However, the latest estimates from the Sarajevo Canton government, dating from mid-2004, are generally thought to be fairly accurate. They put the total population of the city of Sarajevo at 400,000 residents and the number of people in the greater Sarajevo region at 600,000.
Cordless Larry 10:21, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
How about replacing the figures with these? Cordless Larry 16:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Population

The population data provided by this post is evasive. Simple calculus of the data will show that if the Bosniaks are 80% in the 2,5 mil population of the Federation and 10,7% in the 1,411 mil population of the Srpska Respublica, the overall percentage of the Bosniacs in BiH is 55,7. Moreover, if the Croats are 14% in the Federation and 0,9% in R Srpska, they are 9,4% in BiH. Please correct the data ! Thanks ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.196.150.157 (talk • contribs) 16:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need comment on maps I created

Base map
Base map

Hi, everybody

I made some new municipality location maps baceuse existing ones are too small and with too low resolution. Please, comment here: Image talk:BH municipality location.gif.

--Ante Perkovic 22:49, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flag, Coat-of-Arms & Anthem

September has passed - and the article says that the Flag, Croat-of-Arms and Anthem (is there an anthem at all?)'s status will be resolved in the past month. --PaxEquilibrium 19:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ruling about the Coat of Arms, Flag etc.

The ruling only states that the Law on Coat of Arms etc. is not in conformance with Article II.4 of the Constitution of Bosnia and Herzegovina, it does not state explicitly in what way. --Branislav Jovanovic 07:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Can someone please repost the flag and the coat of arms here. I cannot find it. The Constitutional Court did indeed rule that these are not constitutional, however, subsequent to the appeal by the Federal Parliament in Januar of 2007, the Court needs to repost its decision on the Official Gazette (expected in March of this year) for the two insignia to become unofficial. While some members of government (the Parliament's president) have already removed these symbols, the Federal Government as well as most Cantons still display all insignia and will do so until the Gazette has been published. Let's keep this current. Boismortier —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boismortier (talk • contribs) 17:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cyrillic

Can someone please remove the Cyrillic from the title. It has no place in it. We are discussing the federation of BIH and that is not the Serbian republic. Everyone knows that Croatians and Bosniaks use only Latinic because of their contact to western world and only Serbians still use old communist writing systems. They can have Cyrillic on their own sites buit not here, or else we will allow any old Serb nationalist to go round putting cyrillic on all wiki sites. Barbaric 22:11, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Barbaric, please refrain from letting your nationalistic and barbaric instincts polute the Wikipedia project. Cyrillic is the communist writting system? A little research of your own would help. Be happy that 'old Serbs' mother gave birth to such a genius as Vuk Stefanovic Karadzic and that you too can write and read in the most sophisticated manner in the world, no matter what alphabet. Stop spreading your hateful Bosniak/Ustasha nationalistic propaganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.96.218.226 (talk • contribs) 16:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On population estimates

To Ivan Kricancic!

Since there has NOT been conducted any serious cencus in the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina since the war, this is only estimates. Both mine, yours and everyone else is only estimates. But I have calculated and I find this very logical.

there are almost 100 % croats in zapadna hercegovina where it lives around 80 000 according to my source. And it lives around 100 000 croats in hercegovacki neretvanski kanton since you makes up 49 % of the cantons population. You are 40 000 in livanjski kanton and around 90 000 in srednjo bosanski kanton where you make up around 40 % of the population. In posavski kanton you make up around 25 000 of around 40 000 citizens in that canton. And in rest of Federacija you make up around 60 000 (tuzla, zenica - doboj, sarajevski, podrinjski, and unski-sanski kanton).

Summarum: 80 000 + 40 000 + 100 000 + 90 000 + 25 000 + 60 000 = 395 000.

We bosniaks make up 1 850 000 in federacija which is around 80 %.

Alkalada 23:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate that you have tried to locate a source Alkalada, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to revert, as the source provided makes no reference to ethnic affiliation of any sort. While the population of Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats has most likely changed from the current estimates on the article, we shouldn't change them until we find a source stating/estimating the population of the different groups. If a source can be found on the current ethnic population of the different cantons, we could then use that data plus the population data in the source you have provided to come to an accurate estimate. On another topic, thank you for being more civil and calm than you were before; I think you'll now be able to work constructively with other editors. Keep it up! —KingIvan 06:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Ivan, your so called estimated population doesnt neither refere to 100 % reliable source. But I think we all are clear that bosniaks make up 60 % of central bosnia canton since we make majority in the municipalities of bugojno, travnik, gornji and donji vakuf and fojnica and theese municipalities is much more populated than kiseljak, kresevo, vitez and dobretici where croats make majority. Jajce, novi travnik, and busovaca is divided.

In Zenica-doboj we are all clear that bosniaks make up little more than 90 % since croats have small enclave like zepce and usora.

In tuzla canton we make up 95 %. And in herc-ner it is completely divided since we have majority in jablanica, konjic and 3 eastern mostar municipalities. Stolac is divided.

In una-sana and sarajevo there are barely any croats left.

I will revert again. Btw... look at the lates election.

In FBIH bosniak parties got 78 % while there are many bosniaks who voted for non bosniak party as stranka radon za boljitak and others. Alkalada 09:18, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Estimates based purely on your own speculation cannot be added. —KingIvan 05:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, your estimates is too based on purely speculation. I am going to revert again. Alkalada 11:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question (about flags and coat of arms):

Why there is no flag nor coat of arms in the infobox in the Wikpedia article about FBiH, but there are both flag and coat of arms in the infobox in the Wikpedia article about Srpska, if the Constitutional Court decision that banned all of them was the same?--MaGioZal 06:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neighbouring countries

A list of neighbouring countries in the beginning of the article would be superb. -Yupik 22:12, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

The Federaion isn't a country though, so would this be suitable? Cordless Larry (talk) 12:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Population

If we are going to talk about population then we must do it on justificational bases. First of all I think it is pretty clear that bosniaks form 80 % of the population and second is that bosniaks ARE primarily inhabitants of this entity, the croats isnt simply because they form 17 % of population and they are a clear minority.

The croats have same status in the Federation as bosniaks and croats have in Republika Srpska. Bosnianjustice (talk) 16:53, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Where did you find the numbers for the estimated percentage with bosniaks and croats? We need a source. --Litany (talk) 22:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)