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[edit] Archive Created

Moved old-stuff to archive -- Shane (talk/contrib) 07:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism point

Under the part about Robert Hanssen, the last part about the Promis system being acquired by bin Laden and helping him evade US authorities is ridiculously far-fetched, and the article used as a citation makes some assumptions that anyone with basic technical inclination would find absurb (though it could mislead people without a technical orientation). For example, it claims that the software may have been used to bin Laden to access FBI databases and view their progress in tracking him or his financial transactions. Besides the obvious problems in whether this software could've made its way from Russian intelligence to one of their most public enemies in Afghanistan, it doesn't even attempt to touch on the issue of authentication that would be needed along with the software to access any of the FBI's systems. If this truely needs to be in the FBI article, I think we should recategorize this entry into the Conspiracy Theories category as this point is more in tune with the Fake Moon Landing article than any objective view of US law enforcement.

169.253.4.21 TH

After many wars starting as an U.S. marine who ended up in the Air Force I have written many letters. We only need an army and not a world police.

Service Request #466700 SUPPORT STAFF INFORMATION Staff Name: Reshieka Bell Staff E-Mail: cfdrbell@columbiasc.net Staff Phone: 5453700 TICKET INFORMATION Priority: .Medium Date Open: 1/31/2007 1:45:15 PM Status: Assigned Last Modified Date: 1/31/2007 1:45:15 PM Closed Date: Category: Public Safety\Fire Non-Emergency Request Short Description: FBI Info Update!Jan 31st, 2007 - 14:25:42 PROBLEM / REQUEST DESCRIPTION FBI Info Update!Jan 31st, 2007 - 14:25:42 Shoot first! Those are the names of reckless and cold-harded serial-killers: James Faring Jason Franklin Michael Grady Lyle Edgar Lumsden III Eric Matthew Fain Charles Goldman Bryson Kirk James Bird Walter Richard Greesbore Patricia O Riley Jane Payne James O Hale John Richard Deckard Hector Lorenzo

[edit] Copy-Edit

This article requires a copy edit for it to get through WP:FA. I can not do it since I am really biased and did a majority of the episode. Anyone willing to take on this task, I would give a cookie to ya! Thanks in advance! -- Shane (talk/contrib) 16:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Task completed. :)Shane (talk/contrib) 11:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

harassment of innocent people harassment of innocent people harassment of innocent people harassment of innocent people —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.172.239.34 (talk) 23:20, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Criminal force

To the people who keep adding:

It has the widest sphere of authority of all federal police services in the USA, it is the classical federal (criminal) police.

is very much untrue. Stop adding it. Thanks. Shane (talk/contrib) 22:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


As a matter of fact, the FBI does not have the broadest investigative authority in the United States Government, nor does the U.S. Marshal's Service. Neither agency possess the authority to investigate Title 19 (Customs) issues nor full Title 8 (Immigration) and Title 31 (Bank Secrecy Act) issues. The FBI does not possess specific search authority nor stop authority beyond that of a local police force. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) most likely possess the broadest investigative authority in the U.S. government by expresly having the authority to investigate all criminal violations within the 50 Titles of U.S. Code as well as purposefully written broad stop and search authority (without warrant) anywhere within the United States (within certain guidelines and sometimes without probable cause). Another candidate agency that may possess the broadest investigatve authority withing the U.S Government might be the various military investigative agencies such as NCIS, AFOSI, or the Army CID. In addition to general federal criminal investigative powers, these agencies also possess the authority to enforce violations of the Uniformed Code of Military Justice (an authority that neither the FBI, ICE, or USMS possess).

[edit] History

If folks are trying to get this article to FA status, it needs way more references. The history section has none for the early part and it reads like it was written by the FBI itself. It doesn't reflect the historiography of the last 30 years, most of which has been extremely critical of the FBI. Particularly Theoharis, who is mentioned in further reading, as is Richard Gid Powers. A glaring omission is Communism, which was an obsession of J. Edgar Hoover throughout his life. I'll try and do some work on this when I get a chance, but I'm not sure when that'll be so I thought I should mention it here. cheers, Bobanny 22:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Spending more time on this article is on my to-do list (see WP:1FAPQ#First_quarter_2007). Right now, I'm busy with some other articles, including the Gun violence in the United States article. Thank you for your peer review critiques for that article. --Aude (talk) 23:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I could be at the FBI Academy by the time you start. Shane (talk/contrib) 03:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Great -- there's probably some good sources in their library! Otherwise, I promise to start before you graduate.Bobanny 06:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I doubt I could be considered fair then. Shane (talk/contrib) 07:09, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] corruption and crimes comitted by the FBI

This is a good article. i have just a suggestion(i don't know much about the fbi) but I think adding information about cases of corruption, (I'm sure such cases exist, no police force is free of corruption) would add to the credibilty of the article. Esmehwp 12:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC) WE harass innocent people we harass innocent people we harass innocent people

[edit] hiring process

In addition to the drug test, there is a polygraph test personnel have to pass, with questions ranging from drug use and how much a person has sold in their life.

In the quote above "and" should be replaced with "to", and the "how much a person has sold in their life" should be replaced with something that makes sense.—24.210.140.97 02:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

By all means, be bold. Bobanny 17:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] moving unsigned misc. comment from the top of the page

The preface "Bold text The FBI Protects us every day. This is my first admendment right. Do not delete." I suspect was not intended for: A. Citizens of the United States B. Was intended for the article itself.

[edit] Espionage section?

It seems like there should be a separate section devoted to espionage. There are several cases already include in the article. Surprisingly, however, there is no mention at all of the largest espionage case in United States history that ended in convictions -- Duquesne Spy Ring. Others might be added as well. Ctatkinson 17:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] FBI IN INDIA?????

Hey I got a rumor or rather heard it after the Glassgow incident that FBI is going to launch one of its centers in INDIA. Now I do not wether it is true, can anyone confirm it to me if what I heard is true or not? Sorry I could not log in this Rencin24 rencin24

Probably an Asia legat office: [1] Mmernex 19:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy

There should be some mention of the "huge payout for men framed by FBI" in the article --Pinar 12:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Digital Collection System Network

There is some interesting information at Wired about the FBI's new national wire tapping network. I think this would be worth including in the article if any FBI inclined editors have time, or it may warrant the creation of its own page as per Multistate Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange, Total Information Awareness etc. Saganaki- 09:07, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Russian attack on wikipedia

In 2007 June-July when editting articles about The Red army crimes I've suffered sharp attack of red army fans and possibly russian agency hacking my pages illegaly changing their content and falsly accusing me.

user TTTURBO212.122.73.26 10:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Try to assume good faith instead of sinister intentions. If you're having problems with other editors, see WP:DISPUTE for direction, or if it's blatant vandalism, WP:VANDAL. This is only the Wikipedia article on the FBI, not the actual FBI, and therefore not the place to report cyber-intrigue or vandalism. bobanny 14:26, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is this locked and why?

How come you can't add to this page or article? I was going to copy-edit some parts of it. -- Audie Holmes —Preceding unsigned comment added by Audie Holmes (talk • contribs) 23:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Seen "History Section". The article has been vandalized by a bunch of jackasses. 65.173.104.140 21:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FBI files on specific persons

is it even logically or even humanly possible for the FBI to acquire VERY personal information about a person? I haven't been the subject of an investigation but in the movies where background checks are involved they can literally get info the brand of products you use, your daily routine and even your relationship with the people around you (whether you get along well with them or not). There's even some cases where they know the character killed and when even though there was no one around to witness anything. Somehow I don't think that's even possible by a long shot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ch4dwick (talk • contribs) 06:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Operation Backfire

Was going to insert this and/or other FBI operations, but someone locked down the article. This particular one is aimed at taking out Environmentalists and Eco-Terrorists, such as PETA, ALF, ELF, Earth First! 65.173.104.140 21:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Media stuff on the main page

hey this comes directly from the FBI FAQ page(this is the orginial) How accurately is the FBI portrayed in books, television shows, and motion pictures? Any author, television script writer, or producer may consult with the FBI about closed cases or our operations, services, or history. However, there is no requirement that they do so, and the FBI does not edit or approve their work. Some authors, television programs, or motion picture producers offer reasonably accurate presentations of our responsibilities, investigations, and procedures in their story lines, while others present their own interpretations or introduce fictional events, persons, or places for dramatic effect. Learn more about working with the FBI. so might this need looking at mellonmarshall

I have undone the previous edit as per this comment. I realize the concern that the previous (and now current) wording seems to have been lifted straight from the FBI FAQ page, however, the replacement wording was inadequate. Specifically, its implications that there have been times that the FBI has participated directly in its media portrayal so as to portray itself in a more positive light actually goes against the obvious intention of the wording on the FBI's own page (which attempts to distance itself from any perceived coercive or unfair participation in the media). The idea of the FBI's wording seems to attempt to portray itself as being open to assisting artists attempting to ensure the accuracy of their portrayal of the FBI, without violating any artisits' rights of portraying the FBI how they please. If there is any refutation of this sentiment, it definitely requires citation and discussion before being added to the FBI's main page. In any case, if someone would like to rewrite this section so it does not mirror the FBI's page, that's fine, but it should be done in a way that reflects the accepted view on this issue. (LPG3 (talk) 10:50, 23 November 2007 (UTC))
I reverted back and added a reference. Much of the 1930s "war on crime" was conducted through the media, and the bureau actively cultivated the pro-FBI "G-Man" image that resulted. As for direct involvement, J. Edgar Hoover collaborated in what eventually became the Gang Busters radio program and later a TV series. The daughter article has more info. bobanny (talk) 17:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] One or two infoboxes?

Resolved.

I see that there is common infobox for all {{FBI}} related articles.

However, there is a new standard {{Infobox Law enforcement agency}} to get a consistent world view of all law enforcement agencies. For the FBI, it would look something like:

Federal Bureau of Investigation
Abbreviation FBI
Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
Motto Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity
Agency Overview
Formed 1908
Employees 30,762 (October 31, 2006)
Annual Budget 8.7 billion USD (2006)
Legal personality Governmental agency
Jurisdictional Structure
Federal agency
(Operations jurisdiction)		 United States
Legal jurisdiction As per operations jurisdiction.
Governing body United States Congress
Constituting instrument United States Code Title 28 Part II Chapter 33
General nature
Operational Structure
Headquarters J. Edgar Hoover Building, Washington, D.C.
Sworn members 12,659 (October 31, 2006)
Unsworn members 18,009 (October 31, 2006)
Agency executives
Child agencies
Major units
5
Field offices 56: List of FBI Field Offices
Website
http://www.fbi.gov/
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this information		 
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| agencyname      = Federal Bureau of Investigation
| commonname      = 
| abbreviation    = FBI
| fictional       = 
| patch           =
| patchcaption    =
| logo            = US-FBI-Seal.svg
| logocaption     = Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
| badge           = 
| badgecaption    = 
| flag            =
| flagcaption     =
| motto           = Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity
| mottotranslated = 
| formed          = 1908
| preceding1      = 
| employees       = 30,762 ([[October 31]], [[2006]])
| volunteers      = 
| budget          = 8.7 billion [[USD]] ([[2006]])
| country         = United States
| federal         = Yes
| map             = 
| mapcaption      = 
| sizearea        = 
| sizepopulation  = 
| legaljuris      = opsjuris
| governingbody   = United States Congress
| constitution1   =
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 United States Code Title 28 Part II Chapter 33]
| overviewtype    = 
| overviewbody    = 
| headquarters    = [[J. Edgar Hoover Building]], [[Washington, D.C.]]
| sworn           = 12,659 ([[October 31]], [[2006]])
| unsworn         = 18,009 ([[October 31]], [[2006]])
| electeetype     = 
| minister1name   = 
| minister1pfo    = [[United States Department of Justice]]
| chief1name      = [[Robert Mueller|Robert S. Mueller III]]
| chief1position  =
 [[Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation|Director]]
| chief2name      = [[John S. Pistole]]
| chief2position  =
 [[Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
|Deputy Director]]
| chief3name      = [[List of FBI Directors]]
| chief3position  = Other directors
| child1agency    = [[FBI Academy]]
| child2agency    = [[FBI Laboratory]]
| child3agency    =
 [[Criminal Justice Information Services Division
|Criminal Justice Information Services]]
| unittype        = Major unit
| unitname        =
 {{collapsible list |title=6 |[[Behavioral Analysis Unit]] (BAU)
 |[[Critical Incident Response Group]] (CIRG)
 |[[FBI Counterterrorism Division|Counterterrorism Division]] (CTD)
 |[[FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin|Law Enforcement Bulletin Unit]] (LEBU)
 |[[Hostage Rescue Team (FBI)]] (HRT)
 |[[Joint Terrorism Task Force]] (JTTF)
 |[[National Security Service (United States)
|National Security Branch]] (NSB)}}
| officetype      = Field office
| officename      = 56: [[List of FBI Field Offices]]
| stationtype     =
| stations        = 
| lockuptype      =
| lockups         = 
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| vehicles1       = 
| boat1type       = 
| boats1          = 
| aircraft1type   = 
| aircraft1       = 
| animal1type     = 
| animals1        = 
| person1name     = [[John Edgar Hoover]] 
| person1reason   = being the founding director
| person1type     = [[Director]]
| person2name     = [[W. Mark Felt|William Mark Felt]]
| person2reason   = [[Whistleblower|whistle blowing]]
, [[Watergate scandal]] 
| person2type     = former [[Federal Agent]]
| person3name     = [[Joseph L. Gormley|Joseph Leo Gormley]]
| person3reason   = expert testimony
| person3type     = [[Forensic Scientist]]
| programme1      = [[FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives]]
| programme2      = [[FBI Most Wanted Terrorists]]
| programme3      = [[National Incident Based Reporting System]]
| programme4      = [[Uniform Crime Reports]]
| activity1name   = [[COINTELPRO]]
| activitytype    = Operation
| anniversary1    = 
| award1          = 
| website         = http://www.fbi.gov/
| footnotes       = 
}}

What do people think about having {{Infobox Law enforcement agency}} the {{FBI}}, or having the {{Infobox Law enforcement agency}} only?

Peet Ern (talk) 01:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Change of direction: I have now set this up so that it can be accessed from the main article, as above, and from related articles, where it can look like:

Federal Bureau of Investigation
Abbreviation FBI
Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

Peet Ern (talk) 07:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Just update the {{FBI}} template with the static one. I don't like the one with the collapsible bar. Shane (talk/contrib) 05:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Y Done Peet Ern (talk) 04:32, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

More discussion: There is now a much better version available. On related pages, instead of just the name of the agency and the hide/show appearing, now the snapshot infobox always displays the header information including one image if one is available, and collapses the rest of the information.

What do people think ?

Peet Ern (talk) 01:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Not a bad idea. Good job! Shane (talk/contrib) 13:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Shane. Peet Ern (talk) 00:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
PS According to your user page you are not wikiing any more ? I went there yesterday to let you know explicitly about this new version, but there seemed no point . . .
Not "full time". I don't want any contact on my pages, but I keep in touch with what I have worked with so in-case I am needed and any watched page. My goal is to have this FA'ed by August 08. Shane (talk/contrib) 16:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The new template seems to have been accepted. It has now been normalised to its 'main' and 'related' presentations. Y Done Peet Ern (talk) 13:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no move. JPG-GR (talk) 06:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I suggest moving Federal Bureau of Investigation to FBI. See Wikipedia:Requested moves#10 May 2008. Brian Jason Drake 05:59, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

My reason is (as noted on Wikipedia:Requested moves): The organization is almost exclusively referred to using the abbreviation (Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Use common names of persons and things). Brian Jason Drake 06:04, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Likewise oppose, just like the proposed move/rename of Central Intelligence Agency. To be consistent, there would have to be similar proposals for National Security Agency and a host of other U.S. intelligence community agencies, which I would likewise oppose. Plausible to deny (talk) 20:14, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Ditto. Oppose. Shane (talk/contrib) 17:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

FYI, a recent similar move request (but in reverse) was made at Talk:BBC. Also mentioned were ITV, CNN, NBC, HBO, RTL, NASA, FIFA, and UEFA standing at their abbreviations. — AjaxSmack 01:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose --CapitalR (talk) 18:04, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] FA Comments

We should really get all the project involved with this article as the 100th birthday is coming up in August. So lets get this thing good so it can be an FA in the next few months. Shane (talk/contrib) 05:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)