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I haven't made any edits to any of these articles, but as per Template:Song Dynasty topics, it looks like this could be a featured topic, and one of the most important ones, should it pass. Apologies if I have messed something up. Much congratulations to PericlesofAthens for all of his work on this topic. HansHermans 22:22, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I put a lot of effort and time into all seven articles.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 00:28, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

• Support The only article one could argue for inclusion is List of Song Emperors, but I don't think it is absolutely necessary for the topic to pass. Circeus 00:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support - A well-rounded topic. --PresN 04:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support. GAH! You beat me to it! --Hemlock Martinis 17:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support - Would be a great FT. DSachan 03:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Once again, thanks for all the support! It is a very intriguing era of Chinese history.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 00:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

• Support Two FAs and the rest GAs. Clearly defined topic with no obvious gaps. I would like to see List of Song Emperors brought to FL and added to the topic, though. Jay32183 23:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd love to bring that up to featured list, but really, there's not much I can do to spice it up besides adding pictures of the emperors' portrait paintings from the Song era. Do you have any suggestions besides that? If so, I'd love to improve it, but I'm not sure how to go about doing that besides adding their painted portraits.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 16:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Sources would be a big help. It doesn't have to be fancy, it can be simple and still be featured. Jay32183 18:46, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Only one problem, though. The books I own on Chinese history, even a couple specifically about the Song Dynasty, unfortunately do not cover the naming conventions of Song rulers. I'd need to find a credible scholarly source to back the information up first, and I don't know how long something like that will take. I will look at journal articles found at JSTOR for the moment, but I have a feeling they are not going to be of much help, since I believe I've looked at most available JSTOR journal articles that focus on Song Dynasty topics.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 03:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

There's no rush. It doesn't fall into the "obvious gap" problem so it won't hurt FT status. FLs take time. Jay32183 04:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

• Support - Pericles of Athens has worked so hard on these articles. They fulfill all of the FT criteria.--Danaman5 20:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
• Comment [Tumbleweed rolls by, old shutters flap in the wind, silence, ghost town] Thanks Danaman, but it's been pretty darn quiet over yonder in the featured topics candidate page. What in high hootin tarnation is going on here? Lol. :P No responses in the last five days. Unacceptable! Hah--Pericles of Athens^Talk 23:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
• Question for nominator - I agree with Circeus; the List of Song Emperors should be a part of this. Would the nominator be willing to get that list to FL status and add it to the topic before we promote this? --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 14:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd love to, I just don't have any sources, nor can I locate any sources that cover the full naming conventions of Song rulers. I've looked through JSTOR and other databases, and I cannot find them. My university library isn't helpful either, in terms of covering biographies of Song rulers or even listing all of their naming conventions (many authors covering the Song period probably thought that was too tedious). There's a lot of stuff on that list that needs citations and sources, and I'm afraid I can't do anything about it. Maybe someone else can. I created the article, but I did not create any of the material in it; it was once part of the main Song Dynasty article, located previously at the bottom of the page before I took it out and gave the list its own separate article. Maybe I can track down the wiki member who first created the material and ask him how he found those naming conventions.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 21:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I have located the wiki member who created the list in the first place, User:Ktsquare, and I have left a message on his talk page asking for help with the list article.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 21:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

(de-indent) Pericles, would the information located here be of any use?--Danaman5 22:21, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Danaman. This site is good in order to distinguish what some posthumous and other titles mean, translated into English. Unfortunately, it does not help us in determining or verifying which specific names belonged to each Song ruler, because it does not provide any sort of list for Song rulers and their exact naming conventions.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 17:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I have not heard from Ktsquare in the past 4 days since I left a message on his talk page. Looking at his contributions, he comes onto wikipedia sporadically, and I don't know how much help he will be, despite the fact that he is the original creator of all the information in the List of Song Emperors article.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 00:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Still no word from Ktsquare.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 10:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

• Promote - I don't think that the absence of the list of emperors will change many support votes, so I'll promote this and put a notice about the future inclusion of the list on the topic's talk page. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 20:33, 24 September 2007 (UTC)