Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates/Der Hoelle Rache

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[edit] Der Hoelle Rache

This sound file does everything right. It illustrates clearly the complexity of this specific aria (explained in the articles), the genius of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, and why it stands out from the rest of the opera. A wonderful performance, and a beautiful rendition, makes it very enjoyable, and entertaining, as well as educational. It makes you want to hear it over and over again. And best of all it's GFDL and Creative Commons. Please feel free to compare it to the listed youtube.com links at the bottom of the Der Hölle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen article page (I didn't pick any of them). I feel this one is much superior.

Details follows. I've taken the liberty to copy some of the information from the file's main page.

Appears in

The Magic Flute

Der Hölle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen

Work

Composer: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

Performers

• Sandra Partridge, soprano
• Trisdee na Patalung, conductor
• Siam Philharmonic Orchestra

Location

Thailand Cultural Centre, Bangkok

Date

April 5, 2006

Created by

User:Trisdee, listed above as Trisdee na Patalung in the performers section, is the conductor of this recording. (Excellent work)

Licenses

GFDL (Thank you so much)

Creative Commons

• Nominate and Support all the way. - Witchinghour 21:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
• Hm, tough one. The orchestra is very good, and the singer obviously has a lot of talent. It's a live recording, so you have to expect some imperfections. There are a number of points where the soprano's tuning just isn't good, and at one point in the mid-range it sounds like her voice cracks. Perhaps as a singer I'm being too harsh, though. I've heard better live performances, but I certainly couldn't put one together myself. I'm gonna go with support for a very good recording of a difficult piece. Mak (talk) 22:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
• Support. I agree with Makemi about the voice almost cracking, but as far as FS go, this really isn't that bad. --Tewy 22:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose: You're kidding ... the soprano has a nice voice, and some aspects of her musicianship are good, but it's seriously out of tune. That kills it as a recording for any purpose, let alone promotion here. The orchestral sound is OK, except that it sounds a little boxy. Tony 05:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

• Tony, I don't feel like "you're kidding" is a positive place to go here. The level required for featured sounds hasn't really been found yet, the process is still new. I was on the edge about supporting or opposing, because of the obvious problems we both noticed. I respect your decision to oppose, but I wish you hadn't added "you're kidding". Mak (talk) 15:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose: I have to agree with Tony. This is an OK recording of a fair performance. I don't think it is good enough to be featured. -- Samuel Wantman 08:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
• Support. OK, it's not perfect, but in the still-emerging world of FSes I think this belongs as among the most valuable recordings we have for the encyclopedia.--Pharos 23:18, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I have to disagree with this line; the existing body of FS's should not have a bearing on our judgement of the eligibility. I'd be upset if this were promoted; musical standards have to be seen to be high for the award of an honour such as this. Tony 02:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

We make decisions about articles using literary standards. It is embarrassing to see poorly written prose promoted to FA status. It must be the same for music and sounds. They must be examples of our best work possible. The fact that we don't have many files is not a good reason to lower standards. -- Samuel Wantman 05:18, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I do think standards should evolve over time. Obviously, not all of the first FAs and first FPs would meet today's standards. And it is quite possible that this recording, even at this stage, will be found lacking by the consensus. But I do believe that, among the issues considered, the difficulty of arranging a large ensemble work should be given extra brownie points, so in some way this has as much or more value to us educationally than a flawless recording created by one person.--Pharos 19:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't think the size of the ensemble should give it brownie points. There are many recordings of this aria floating around, so the educational value of making a seriously out-of-tune one Featured on WP escapes me. I'm sorry to be blunt, but this would be good for a send-up, and we don't want that. It's a notoriously difficult feat to bring off, and singers make fools of themselves by attempting it prematurely. Let's not teach people that this is a good thing. Tony 23:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. Thank you all for your contribution to this discussion. Here is the score for this aria in lilypond, PS and PDF formats. The license is Public Domain. --Witchinghour 10:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 11:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC)