Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Wales

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The following is an archived discussion of a featured portal candidate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the portal's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured portal candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The portal was promoted 12:28, 1 May 2008.

[edit] Portal:Wales

Self-nomination. See archived peer review and previous FPOC. Stats: (14) Selected articles, all of "B" class or higher and all have an associated free-use image, (13) Selected biographies, all of "B" class or higher and all have an associated free-use image, (11) Selected pictures, all are free-use images, (12) Selected quotes, all have links to notable individuals with articles on Wikipedia, and all have associated free-use images, (15) Did you know entries, showing 3 at a time, and (7) selected quotes shown one at a time. All of the above sections are randomised and display new content when the portal is purged. News updates automatically from Wikinews, using Wikinews Importer Bot. I believe the portal meets the standards for Featured Portal status after a rigourous first featured nomination, which has helped develop the portal further. Rudget (review) 11:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments
  1. If there is an ongoing WP:FPOC discussion, the WP:PPREV should be archived, but it is still open at the moment, at least according to the portal's talk page. Cirt (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
  2. Looks like you accidentally used Portal:Wales/Selected biography/Layout for the Portal:Wales/Selected article section as well, that will have to be fixed. Cirt (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
  3. The "No free image" things on the Selected bios might be okay in the actual articles, but look unseemly in the portal itself. Cirt (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
  4. Flag, Arms, and Map in the Intro could be rotated, like in Portal:Oregon, Portal:Iceland/Intro and Portal:Philosophy of science/Intro. Cirt (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Not needed. Other portals are featured without it, example Portal:Sustainable development. Rudget (review) 13:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    True - this one was just a suggestion, not really required or anything - though it could be considered as a longer term recommendation to add some more dynamism. Cirt (talk) 13:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    It's just that most of the national symbols are already used in the Selected picture section. Rudget (review) 13:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
  5. Left column is a bit wide and right column is a bit narrow, better to showcase 2 "Selected" subsections of content at the top, and make the columns 55%/45%, and shift some stuff around. Cirt (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Much better - but "Featured content", "Things you can do", and "Selected quote" would probably all look better if moved to somewhere inside the bottom section where there is 100% width. Cirt (talk) 13:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    There is way too many things at 100% width already, it'd break up the flow. See what it is like now. Rudget (review) 13:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Much better, but still, I'd swap locations of WikiProjects and Featured content. Cirt (talk) 13:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:35, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
  6. "Associated Wikimedia" should have its own subpage, with links to other projects tailored to searches or existing pages as per what is currently available in this topic. Cirt (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
  7. "Selected quote" would look much nicer if modeled after the WP:FPORT, Portal:Sustainable development - as would subsections "Things you can do" and "WikiProjects". Cirt (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
  8. Looks like "Selected picture" section is missing the Archive/More footer. Cirt (talk) 13:35, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Oh wait - if you are going to go with the Archive/More format for all the other subsections, best to use that format for this one too, and not "Suggest" format. Cirt (talk) 13:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Doing. Rudget (review) 13:43, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Looks like this one still has the "Suggest" footer? Cirt (talk) 13:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Done. Rudget (review) 14:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
  9. News section also appears to not have a footer, which could link directly to n:Portal:Wales. Cirt (talk) 13:35, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Done. I went and did this one. Cirt (talk) 13:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
  10. Did you know - Also still uses the Suggest/More footer, should be changed to Archive/More, for uniformity/standardization w/ other sections of the portal. Cirt (talk) 13:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Support. Excellent work. Thanks for responding so insanely fast to my above comments. Portal looks great. Cirt (talk) 13:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Support. Looks like a featured portal. Red and green is handled well and I admire the restraint on borders (none) in the boxheaders. Beautiful job. -Susanlesch (talk) 21:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. Attractive clean colours. The column layout at my monitor resolution was significantly unbalanced (too long on the left column), though I can't see a quick fix that would balance. Looking at the Selected articles list I'm confused as the majority seem to be biographies -- when the random selection gives two biographies it looks rather odd to me. Surely there must be ten or so non-biographical Welsh articles of at least B-class? Not all the biographies have images associated, eg Gethin Jones, Max Boyce, Lloyd Owen, Tommy Cooper. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    • I know there is quite a problem with that, and I am looking to resolve the issue, but it is difficult. With a context that is in poorly represented on Wikipedia its hard to find any good B-class articles (or higher) which I can use without using half the page as just an introduction, in that case, it would be better to just link the page itself. Biographies, on the other hand, are in plentiful supply and this is the reason why they have been used in this particular instance. I hope it doesn't impede too much on the portal, and I will look at updating some selected articles when the time comes that articles about various Wales locations are of a good standard. Rudget (review) 14:56, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
      • In that case, I'd personally suggest amalgamating the Biographies and Selected articles until there are sufficient non-biographies to stand on their own. Espresso Addict (talk) 19:40, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
        • This was addressed in the last FPOC which ultimately lead to its unsuccessfulness at that particular time. If I don't retain the Selected biography section, there wouldn't be enough to meet FPOC criteria. Greman Knight. 08:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
  • What are you planning to do with the large blank space in the right panel? OhanaUnitedTalk page 04:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Hmm.. On my screen, there is none? Rudget 14:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
      • I'm using Firefox at 1024x768 and after purging the portal 5 times, the space is still there. OhanaUnitedTalk page 18:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Intro needs copyediting...first four sentences all start with the same word ("Wales"), for instance. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 10:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Promoted. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 12:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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