Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Ukraine

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[edit] Portal:Ukraine

After working on the portal and looking at other portals for suggestions, I believe that it is up to the Featured Portal standard. The portal is active, covers a wide topic, and is commonly updated. I see no more problems with the portal, and I hope you will also agree with me. —dima/s-ko/ 22:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

1. Support as nominator. —dima/s-ko/ 22:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
2. Support as one of the co-founders. I admit being biased though, but any criticism would be welcome. --Irpen 22:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

• ObjectSupport--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 18:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • See and Edit a full article here should be read more or more about (article) and the name of the article should be a bold link to the article not just bold.
  • There needs to be nomination links for all selected articles, pictures, and paintings
  • The In the news section should have bold links to the article.
    • Its not that easy to have bold links to the article... I mean, on Main Page we see summary with bold link leading to larger article. But here, we have summary and possibly a larger article, but the article does not contain the info we have in the In the news section. Is that alright? —dima/s-ko/ 01:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • the Ukrainian editions of Wikimedia projects should either be centered or justified since on a wide screen monitor it aligns left.
  • Your topics seem to be categorized correctly but under each subject they're in no particular order they need to be at least alphabetical.
  • Both topics and WikiProject and collaborations have redirects to the article listed the links should go to the actual article.
  • Wikipedians in Ukraine should be in the categories section not the assoc. Wikimedia. --WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 00:01, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I have fixed most of the above concerns. I did not categorize some sections in Topics because some are in their historical appearance and others are by their status (administrative divisions, government). I don't understand what you mean by Both topics and WikiProject and collaborations have redirects to the article listed the links should go to the actual article. Could you please explain? —dima/s-ko/ 00:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Thats fine being in historical order is no problem As for the redirects the link to the page redirects throught a different page for example You have a link in topics to Imperial Russia but the page for Imperial russia links to Russian Empire you can see this when you click on the link and at the top of the article you see "redireted from Imperial Russia" you can name the link what ever you want but it needs to translate to the actual page not a redirect page. you can view the actual page Imperial Russia here [1].

As for the news sections being bold the archive needs to be bold as well.

The Ukrainian editions of Wikimedia projects are now aligned left justified right and the images are gone. they can all fit on the same row the just need to be either centered or justified.--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 01:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

• I think its great that your making these changes so quickly and I'll be sure to update my responses asap but please allow the person that made an objection to strike it out when they feel that the issue has been remedied. --WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 01:56, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Sorry about that... Is there still a problem with the Ukrainian editions of Wikimedia projects ? —dima/s-ko/ 02:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

• • Its still messed up not to mention that the images don't correspond with the links, I have created whats need to go into the section here User:Wilsbadkarma/workpage3 just paste it into the page and you'll be fine.--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 03:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

• I have pasted it into the section. —dima/s-ko/ 03:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

• • your gonna need to revert it sorry it does the same thing at 800x600 you'll have to stick with rfrisbies version. nope it doesn't your fine--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 03:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Objection. Support. Rfrisbie^talk 05:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • This portal does not display properly for IE at 1024X768.
    • The "Ukrainian editions of Wikimedia projects" box images go well beyond the column width.
    • "Related portals" box goes slightly beyond width.
  • Make sure the columns display properly at 800X600 as well. Rfrisbie^talk 01:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately, I do not use IE, so I cannot see the problem. But I understand what you mean. I will try to figure out a way so it will look alright. —dima/s-ko/ 01:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I removed the images altogether (although it is better with them..). Does it look normal now, or do I need to make a line break in between them? —dima/s-ko/ 01:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
      • I like the images too. You always can try breaking them across multiple lines and/or moving them to a 100% width. I fixed a few other minor display problems I noticed. The biggest layout display problem I see for now is some images being too large for 800X600 displays. Can you adjust your settings to that resolution to see what I mean? Rfrisbie^talk 02:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
        • I have added the images back on Ukrainian editions... I moved the related portals to the bottom and centered it. Does it still go out of the border? —dima/s-ko/ 02:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
          • The first two display issues look okay now (I switched some images to match the words), even though I had to do some goofy kludging to get the centering to display properly. The main problem for display now is at 800X600 resolution. Rfrisbie^talk 03:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
        • I tired to get it at 800x600 res. just I only see half of the page, but the images are fine. Could you upload a screen shot? —dima/s-ko/ 04:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
        • I looked at the screen shots and have now made the images smaller (-50px). Is it still the same? —dima/s-ko/ 05:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
          • 270px was as large as I could have them to work at the 50% column width you have. For another example, Portal:Religion has 300px images at 60%, that work fine at 800X600. Rfrisbie^talk 05:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
        • Thanks for your support and your suggestions. —dima/s-ko/ 05:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Support as a frequent contributor I used to like this portal and with the recent changes I like it even more Alex Bakharev 10:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Listing minor objections

• Use Selected article in the articles section as for pictures section has been used Selected picture.
  • The reason why "featured" is used here is that we have enough Ukraine related articles that passed the review and were promoted to WP:FA and we intend to rotate such articles in this window. "Featured" in Wikipedia context bears specific meaning and we want to emphasize that the articles qualify. Formerly, the picture window was also called "Featured" but it was renamed, if I remember correctly by the Wikipedia's Featured article director who made it a point that the word "featured" should be used carefully in Wikipedia context to maintain the prestigiousness of the label. For now, we do not have enough featured images related to Ukraine. That's why we call them "Selected". --Irpen 07:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Then I think, there is no need of nomination procedue.It is already a redundant link. If you are considering to add good articles in the list then make it selected. I am not sure about the procedure for featuring period for a particular article/picture and related maintenance. Shyam ^(T/C) 08:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Use inter-wiki link for Wikinews, i.e. Wikinews on Ukraine, instead of external link.
• Use Image:Cscr-candidate.png instead of Image:Former featured article candidate.png for featured article candidates in Things you can do section.
• Place Associated Wikimedia and Ukrainian editions of Wikimedia projects at the bottom.
• Related portals section has single portal at the top. Please reformat the section. Shyam ^(T/C) 07:01, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Ok, I have fixed the above suggestions. But what do you mean Place Associated Wikimedia and Ukrainian editions of Wikimedia projects at the bottom. Should I remove them from the right column and make them centered instead? —dima/s-ko/ 16:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
    • It is your wish to have centered them or not. But place centered them preferably. But these two section should go to the bottom of the page. Shyam ^(T/C) 16:15, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Ok, I have moved it to the bottom. —dima/s-ko/ 17:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
        • Make wikinews link as Wikinews on Ukraine or Ukraine Wikinews in the News section. Other than this I support the portal to be featured. Shyam ^(T/C) 17:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
        • Addition to this, in the Categories section use More categories instead of More at Category:Ukraine .... Shyam ^(T/C) 17:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Ok, I've implemented the changes. On a side note, I have added a Selected anniversary because of the excessive blank space made by the moving of Wikimedia sections. Does anyone mind this addition? —dima/s-ko/ 17:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

• Renewing objections in light of changes
• The Associated Wikimedia & Ukrainian editions of Wikimedia projects need to be centered or justified they are currently aligned right.--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 18:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I too have a wide-screen monitor but they are centered on my monitor... I have tried something to fix it. Does it work? —dima/s-ko/ 18:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Your Back in business--WilsBadKarma ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 18:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

• I am unsure about the criteria of listing anniversaries. Some are listed as December 1, January 23, November 22- January 23. That is very nice step. You can use selected anniversary for a particular month for example. Regards, Shyam ^(T/C) 18:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I have made it January-only. —dima/s-ko/ 18:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
    • You can also place a link in the section which goes to other months' anniversaries. Shyam ^(T/C) 18:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes, I have just started Portal:Ukraine/List of selected anniversaries for a full list. But it will take some time to fill it up. —dima/s-ko/ 18:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Scouting shows a monthly example. Rfrisbie^talk 18:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Yes, no problem. Use [[Portal:Ukraine/Selected anniversaries/{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}]] and place Portal:Ukraine/List of selected anniversaries for other anniversaries in the section. Shyam ^(T/C) 18:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Ok I have finished adding anniversaries for Ukraine, but more will be needed as on some there are only one or two.. —dima/s-ko/ 21:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
      • IMO, it would be better to move Portal:Ukraine/List of selected anniversaries to Portal:Ukraine/Selected anniversaries. Transclude all months' anniversaries to Portal:Ukraine/Selected anniversaries. Made transclusion of {{Portal:Ukraine/Selected anniversaries/{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}}} on the portal page with a link for Portal:Ukraine/Selected anniversaries . Shyam ^(T/C) 21:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
        • Well alright. I just left it the way it was so it would be easier to "navigate" from one month to the other. But I can always make a category. Does an admin need to move it or can I? —dima/s-ko/ 21:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
          • Yes, that was requiring an administrator to fix the move. I have fixed it, hopefully you do not mind with that move. Accordingly I have made some changes to the portal. Now you can trasclude all months' anniversaries to the page. Please remove NavBox template from different months' anniversaries and fix a link related to Portal:Ukraine/Selected anniversaries to them. Shyam ^(T/C) 21:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Thanks! —dima/s-ko/ 21:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Is it possible to use transclusion of the supage of featured article page? I am not sure how it will be maintained regularly. For example, you can feature a particular article on monthly basis similar to anniversary section. Shyam ^(T/C) 07:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Sure, I guess we could do that.. I'll try right now. Actually, I don't think that we need to transclude the Featured article. I mean, we change the article every now and there are not very many of them... What do you think? —dima/s-ko/ 23:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
    • There are maintenace problems to make changes manually in Portal:Ukraine/Featured article. There is no guarantee, how long a particular featured/selected article would be available on the portal page. It could be the case in that situation that the same article is available for last few months in that case. That lacks the curiosity of people if there is nothing new to see on the portal. Regards, Shyam ^(T/C) 13:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
      • OK, I have finished transcluding the Featured articles. —dima/s-ko/ 18:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
        • Great portal. Here goes my full support to portal to be featured. Shyam ^(T/C) 18:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

End Listing minor objections

• Support - per above minus User:Shyam Bihari's header 3 section. Mkdw^talk 06:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
• Support. SD31415 (SIGN HERE) 13:24, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
• Support - active and well designed portal. --Riurik ^(discuss) 23:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
• Support - all the objections have been fixed. Very nice. Arjun 17:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
• Support. Just a few minor preferences:
• "Ukrainian editions of Wikimedia projects" should go above "Associated Wikimedia".
• "Topics" > "Main topics".
• No need to capitalize "NEWS FROM UKRAINE", it hurts.
• "Wikiprojects" > "WikiProjects". Michaelas10 (Talk) 10:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I have implemented your suggestions. Thanks, —dima/s-ko/ 20:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)