Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Tennis

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[edit] Portal:Tennis

I've spent quite a long time over the past few days getting this upto standard. I think it now meets the featured portal criteria. It's been relatively active for four months now, it just needed some TLC and help with formatting. All selected content has been chosen for January, and we're currently open to suggestions for February. I'm still considering putting a topics box in, suggestions would be welcome - if it's needed, I'll get it in within a few hours. Thanks, Ryan Postlethwaite 13:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

• I was a bit involved in this, so I'll abstain for now. But I do have some suggestions for In the news section: (1) it should have a link to the source of the news, whether that be an outside news source or Wikinews; and (2) I suggest you include these three links: an archive page, to collect news headlines previously included on the portal's main page , a link to Wikinews Tennis Portal, and a link to our Wikipedia's sports portal. Users really appreciate that. I'll add more suggestions later. Good luck! - Mtmelendez ^(Talk) 14:50, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the comments, I've created an archive for the news section and I've linked each story to an external source. I've added sprorts current events portal into the news section and there's already a link to wikinews at the bottom of the page. Ryan Postlethwaite 15:07, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
• A great looking portal but, there seems to be a problem with Image:Jimmy Connors.jpg and I'd suggest changing Archive to Archives in the Biography section, as per other sub-sections. Apart from that, I'm going to support. Rt. 15:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Ah yes, there does seem to be a problem with the image, I'll have to take a look at it. I've changed the selected bio to point to archives rather than archive, obviously a slight typo on my part. Ryan Postlethwaite 15:25, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

 :) Rt. 15:33, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and the image has been changed now. Ryan Postlethwaite 00:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

• Support, I reviewed and suggested some things for this portal a short while ago at the request of Ryan, and I'm glad to see those and the other minor things above have been cleared up. Daniel 11:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Comments

1. Instead of "Read more..." could simply use "More..."

   Read more is the standard, most portals use it, including the main page. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:28, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

   Um, actually no, the Main Page, uses simply "More...". Cirt (talk) 23:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC).

   I actually took this point from Portal:Scotland which is featured. You're right about the main page - not sure why I thought it was "Read more..." but I was obviously wrong in that assumption. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

   Okay, just a suggestion. Cirt (talk) 23:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC).

2. The "Archives" should be aligned bottom left, and "More..." bottom right, this is not currently uniform throughout.

   They are infact all uniform throughout, all align fully to the right - again the norm. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:28, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

   Double-checked, this looks okay actually, Y Done. Cirt (talk) 23:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC).

3. "News" does not need visible external links, just the news, but the sources could be given on the actual subpage in a "Sources" subsection, using <noinclude></noinclude>

   News should have an external link to an outside source to verify it - especially when dealing with living people or else could be considered a BLP violation. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:28, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

   I agree that News should have verification, but it could be provided via <noinclude></noinclude> on the subpage, and does not need to be visible in the current manner, which doesn't look that great aesthetically. Other users have commented on this as well in another Featured Portal discussion. Cirt (talk) 23:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC).

   Ah, I've sorted it (I think) - can you take a look? Ryan Postlethwaite 23:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

   Ah, I see - give me a few mins. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

   Y Done - Looks much better! Another idea is to use the standard <ref></ref> formatting at the end of each one, and have a <noinclude></noinclude> section for Sources on the subpage - but that's up to you. Cirt (talk) 23:51, 26 December 2007 (UTC).

4. This portal will take a bit of updating work, regularly. {{Random portal component}} could reduce the workload. Looks like it is currently not used in this portal anywhere. It is possible in the future that editors could become less involved, and the portal could become stale. A bit of randomization would help this.

   I accept this point, however I'm trying to keep everything standardised throughout the portal and keep everything "selected" rather than a bit of everything. We point to wikiquote for more quotes if the user wishes to look. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

   Again, just a suggestion but as Dihydrogen Monoxide (talk · contribs) said in another featured portal discussion, it is "highly recommended". It is possible that at some point the portal will become less active, and stale, and having even just one randomized section would be nice. Cirt (talk) 23:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC).

5. No captions given for the pictures in "Selected article" and "News"

   From the main page again, the pictures do not have captions, it makes the page look poorly formatted. Other featured portals don't have captions. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

   Again, the Main Page pictures do have captions. They are "rollover" captions, displayed when the cursor is on the image. This is also common on other featured portals. Check this again. Cirt (talk) 23:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC).

   Give me a sec to work out how to do it, and I'll pop some in. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:51, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

   Y Done Ryan Postlethwaite 00:15, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

6. "Selected biography" would look nicer at top right, next to "Selected article".

   Featured portals generally have larger left hand sections to accomodate the selected articles, hence why both the bio and article appear on one side. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

   Understandable, just a suggestion. Cirt (talk) 23:44, 26 December 2007 (UTC).

7. "Selected quote" would look better somewhere on the left, where there is more room to spread out the quote.

   This is purely about formatting and the quote is on the left hand side to make the columns even. I'm very open to suggestions on this hwoever. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

   Okay, there are always other ways to make the columns even, and if the quotes are differing sizes it helps to give them more room to spread out, I've found. Cirt (talk) 23:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC).

   Looking at the portal and particularly the quotes section on another computer with a smaller monitor, the quotes section is really smushed and would look better on the left side with more room. Cirt (talk) 00:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC).

   I've moved it over to the left - I fully agree now it looked out of place - I've replaced it with a "topics" section which I think works well. Ryan Postlethwaite 02:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

8. See creative use of icons/pictures in subsections at Featured Portal, Portal:Sustainable development, this would look nice here in some subsections.

   I've tried to incorporate more images rather than icons here (more so than the sustainable development portal) simple because we have more images available - that's why I haven't tried to incorporate icons into the portal - again, I'll take a look but I think it would spoil the format. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:38, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

   Understandable. But again, when you roll the cursor over the images it would be helpful for it to display a caption - instead of simply the file name. Cirt (talk) 23:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC).

   Y Done Ryan Postlethwaite 00:15, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

9. There is currently no "Related portals" section. I believe this is required or at least recommended.

   The related portals section is directly at the top of the page - above the main title, this is standard with the related sports portals. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:38, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

   Ah, I see that now, my mistake. Y Done Cirt (talk) 23:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC).

Cirt (talk) 20:51, 26 December 2007 (UTC).

Many of these things are not required. Ryan: See the comments relating to this at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:England. Regards, Qst 22:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not really sure which criteria you're using to come up with these things, I'm sorry but they seem to be your personal preference rather than the norm. In fact, all but two of your points would probably get opposes in themselves. I'll go through each point individually however. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

They are merely suggestions on ways to make the portal better, but yes, I would appreciate it if they were addressed individually, that would certainly be a help in the discussion. However, many of these are not "personal preferences", but in fact are common characteristics used on other Featured Portals. Cirt (talk) 23:28, 26 December 2007 (UTC).

• Support. Per the quick responses to my points from above. Great work! (Quick note, could use a caption for the image in the introduction, and "Things you can do" would look better aligned left, not centered.) Cheers, Cirt (talk) 07:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC).
• Support: Looks good! A few suggestions —

• Selected Quote → Selected quote for uniformity with the other titles.
• As Cirt suggested, "'Things you can do' would look better aligned left, not centered." Cheers, [sd] 12:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions, I've taken them on board and altered accordingly - looks much better now! Ryan Postlethwaite 13:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Comments:

• Please add purge link. Y Done - Rt. 19:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
• Expand Things you can do.
  • Fixed - I've moved it to below the selected quote section, to try to break up the page. I think the content on the things you can do section, is quite sufficient. What else could you suggest? Rt. 19:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Better, if you could link some of the requested articles and some articles requiring expansion. This is not mandatory, but will help a lot of having that section. Shyam ^(T/C) 12:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Portal can be more dynamic, so that people may be interested to visit. Thanks, Shyam ^(T/C) 10:46, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
• One more thing, Current events/Upcoming events section is missing. Shyam ^(T/C) 10:56, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Hmm, other featured sport portals like Portal:Rugby union don't seem to have this feature, could I ask what you're referring to? Thanks. Best regards, Rt. 19:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
    • I believe that Shyam (talk · contribs) is referring to similar section used called "On this day" at Biography, Religion; "Selected anniversaries" at War; "Calendar" at Holidays, etc. But I have looked over a good number of portals and Featured Portals, and this would seem to be an optional added bonus if the section were added, but not something required for Featured Portal status. Cirt (talk) 05:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC).
      • Hi Cirt, I respect your views. The thing is that, the portal does not look dynamic to me. If this section will be added, then the people would be interested to visit the portal page. Other than News section, there is nothing in the portal which will be updated in the portal before February from now. I would request Rudget, please do not use another example, like Rugby union, if the portal can be improved by adding the section. Thanks, Shyam ^(T/C) 10:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
        • No Shyam (talk · contribs), I agree with you that the portal could be a bit more dynamic. I just think that in general on portals an "Events" section is something that is optional. But I do agree with you that in this case it would certainly help alot, or at least to have a couple random components, to make it more dynamic... Cirt (talk) 06:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC).

Promoted --Chris.B (talk) 11:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

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