Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:European Union

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[edit] Portal:European Union

European Union Portal

I've had the pleasure of becoming acquainted with the EU over the last six months or so, while redoing this portal. You can see the sad shape it was in. I believe it meets all criteria, and should definatly be promoted. Joe I 20:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Hmm, some minor issues:
    • The "Member states" box on the first page needs some separator symbols between the names.
    • Why is the font on the WikiProject box so small?
    • Why are the Wikimedia & portal links repeated on two tabs?
  • Other than that, looks good. Kirill Lokshin 02:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Fixed one and two. As for the other, I think the main page should have all info available, as if it could be displayed without the tabs at all. The tabs just give a simple page of consolidated information. Hope that suffices. Joe I 02:43, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, that just means that the third tab is basically redundant with the first one (except for the infobox); I'd suggest moving the infobox to the second tab, and dispensing with the third one entirely. In any case, support now that the technical issues have been fixed. Kirill Lokshin 02:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Objections:

  • Related portals contain the portals available on Wikipedia. Atlas of the EU should be removed from the related portals section which link to the commons. It could be replaced by category of EU on commons in associated wikimedia.
  • No Things you can do section.
  • Add more topics related to EU. Use List of European Union-related topics insted of Category:European Union-related lists for Lists in the topic section and remove Topics which would be redundant. That category could be substituted in the category section.
    • Fixed Joe I 13:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Use bold letter in the DYK section for the highlighted article.
    • DYK removed. Joe I 03:25, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Any specific reason to remove DYK?? Shyam (T/C)
        • I've had it removed for awhile, and someone else asked to put it up, sure, no problem. But I'm not going to update it, so, no updates, must go. Joe I 13:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Portal:Current events/Britain and Ireland or else can be used instead of wikinews link in news section as it is the redundant of the wikinews link in Associated wikimedia section. Shyam (T/C) 08:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Made it Portal:Current events/Europe. Joe I 03:25, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Please make it wikipedia link instead of wikinews link (which does not exist) in the news section. Shyam (T/C) 05:26, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Got it. Joe I 13:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Object There are several formatting faults on Portal:European Union/Member states, primarily to do with wrapping and alignment at differring resolutions. It would probably be better to use a table. Also, Image:UK Royal Coat of Arms.png is under Crown copyright (a non-free license) and is not allowable on portals per fair use criteria. Image:Latvijas lielais gerbonis.png has no licensing information. Finally, is there any reason to duplicate the topics box on both the main page tab and Portal:European Union/Content?--cj | talk 22:36, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
  • I've fixed the image issues, and tried to clean up the text abit to achieve some kind of neatness. Personally. I think the table lines, and text wrapping itself, would only detract from the information. As far as the topics...I believe it belongs on the front page, easily accessible. Adding it to the same page as the categories, and other wikipedia content links, was for simple ease of use. One who would use either the topics or cat box, will most likely use the other. I don't believe the duplication is a hindrance to this portal...ergonomical, yes. Joe I 14:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the corrections thus far. I have exampled what I meant by table formate (simply wiki mark-up, as opposed to HTML) on the first six countries in the Member states tab. Such format should avoid any wrapping issues. However, I wonder as to how useful the page is at all, especially in its present layout; in other words, huge amounts of text don't invite readership. As a suggestion (not objection), what would you think utilising the second tab for synopses on the five major EU institutions, and replacing the News section on the main tab (as it is more pertinent to Portal:Europe than P:EU) with a Selected member rotation? I still have concerns about the Content tab; it features nothing unique, other than Things you can do and an oddly placed infobox. Either make good use of it, or remove it. --cj | talk 12:53, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Fixed formating, meant to earlier, but forgot. Joe I 04:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Weak Objection

  • Topics section and related projects section looks awkward at the top especially when they push down much more important sections such as the selected article section. I recommend you move them to the bottom. Langara College 00:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I don't see a problem with them there. The point of portals is to group a broad range of similar articles in front of a viewer rather than a few selected articles. Joe I 04:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Some more points
  • Intro section contains 4 paragraphs. Please try to make it more concised. Intro section should be restricted to two paragraphs.
  • News section should contain the news briefs. Do not use quote in the section. You can use separate section for quotes. There are many more news available on wikinews. Please update the section regularly. Consider shortening the news, if applicable.
  • Please move down the Topics section. Move up Cities section by two place. Use Selected city instead of Cities as heading.
  • Categories section seems more longer unnecessarily. IMO, use dash instead of double bullets for subcategories. Shyam (T/C) 15:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Took care of intro, news, "Selected city", and dashes in category. Joe I 16:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, I think more than one person brought these up, so:

  • Removed "topics" from content page, removed "categories" from main page - solves redundency issues.
  • Moved "portals" down. Joe I 23:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Weak Support interesting, and everything seems in order, but one question the border of the portal and the portal subpages is red. Shouldn't it be a goldish color matching the stars? Red seems to random. Arjun 21:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Never thought of that, but tell me what you think now. Looks alittle garish to me. Joe I 21:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Yuck! :-) Rfrisbietalk 21:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah that's what I thought.  :) Joe I 21:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah you are right, how about "royalblue"? :) Arjun 23:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Something like that? Looks decent, better than red I guess. Joe I 23:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Much better (IMO). Cheers! Arjun 16:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I hate to bring this up like this, but I know this thread is about to be closed. There are a few objections still standing where every major point has been dealt with. These objections should of been removed. I see no reason why this portal should not be promoted, even if those objections remain. Joe I 06:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)