Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Swimming pool 50m 2008

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[edit] 50-meter swimming pool diagram

Original - A simplified diagram of the FINA long course swimming pool standard, used at the World Championships and Summer Olympics.
Original - A simplified diagram of the FINA long course swimming pool standard, used at the World Championships and Summer Olympics.
Reason
I believe, topics concerning competitive swimming and competitive swimming equipment are underdeveloped in Wikipedia, as compared to other sports. This picture presents a simplified, but essential view on how modern high-level competitive swimming pool looks like. And as such, it contributes to developing better Wikipedia's coverage of competitive swimming in general.
Articles this image appears in
Swimming pool & Olympic-size swimming pool
Creator
Cmapm
  • Support as nominator Cmapm (talk) 01:32, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment What does "close to" mean? In what ways does this not precisely represent those requirements? Is there any reason why it couldn't represent them exactly, rather than merely closely? TSP (talk) 01:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
    • To avoid overloading image with confusing details, I omitted some ones, such as "automated officiating equipment" sensors installation places etc. Cmapm (talk) 01:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
      • Not knowing anything about swimming pool regulations, I won't change it, but would "A simplified diagram of the FINA long course swimming pool standard, used at the World Championships and Summer Olympics" be more accurate? "Close to" indicates that this is somehow modified from the requirements, rather than just leaving some elements out. Thegreenj 18:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
        • OK, no problem. Thanks.Cmapm (talk) 01:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose The graphic design is dull, lacks "wow". All texts are too small, thus almost unreadable when this is viewed on its image page. Not one of WPs best diagrams, IMO. --Janke | Talk 06:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Fixed, thanks. Cmapm (talk) 01:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment I agree that the text is too small (try something sans-serif, too). Considering there's so much empty space, you might as well try it with those sensors in the diagram; it might not be as crowded as you think. (Maybe it will be, but it's worth a try, isn't it?) Also, I think the ropes between lanes (is that what they're called? Because they're not labelled!) need more explanation; what's the significance of the different colors and red and black parts spaced at regular intervals? There also might be a better way to represent scale than that is currently used; it seems to take up too much space covering the same, overlapping vertical distances. Then again, it might look better now than with a ruler, but you can at least crop out the white border. Finally, the backstroke turn indicators and false start rope, which I'm assuming are ropes hung over the pool, don't convey exactly what they are. (I.e. the could be lines drawn under the water.) I know that's a lot of comments, and not many ideas on how to fix them, but don't get discouraged. There have been noms where a few improvements made a huge difference.--HereToHelp (talk to me) 13:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
    • I fixed rope placement, they're now above the water (this was a bug, sorry, and thanks for the catch). Float colour is required to be different from surrounding floats at 15m from both end walls and in the center. The same for 10 m distance from end walls doesn't seem to be required, but usually is also implemented. Such colouring of lane ropes (red, yellow, blue, green) is required by FINA, but I didn't find any explanation why. Should I include this description onto the image page? And should additional details be relevant for the new, rotated and more crowded version of the image? Is your suggestion on sans-serif essential (I'm afraid a bit to change that, because other people could prefer Arial or TNR)? Cmapm (talk) 01:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
      • Looks better. Put as much detail as you can into the description page, but if it doesn't fit in the image, that's fine as long as you tried it to make sure. The point of sans-serif was directed solely to improve legibility, ideally (but probably not practically) in the thumbnail. If you find else something that works, or someone has an expert opinion, go with that instead.--HereToHelp (talk to me) 23:39, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Janke. The freddinator (talk) 17:03, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Fixed, thanks.Cmapm (talk) 01:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak Oppose As a swimmer, I find it interesting, but too small and maybe rotated 90 degrees would be better. SpencerT♦C 01:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Good catch! Indeed, rotated surely looks better for me too. Thanks.Cmapm (talk) 01:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose Somewhat informative, but a rather boring graphic. A three dimensional diagram could also include depth information. ~MDD4696 04:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Yes, this is a good suggestion. And in 3D version we could also implement end wall markings, as well as an animation of the falling false start rope. But I give up. Somebody can do better. Cmapm (talk) 13:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Question Why do the ropes have different colours and what purpose does the false start rope serve?--Svetovid (talk) 10:06, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment, please upload the new version to a new file name. Both can be useful and it's not good to completely change an image during FPC--present the second one as an "alternative". Also, I think you should just label the lanes with numbers and then turn "Lane" 90 degrees have it it vertical along the right side. 128.175.80.3 (talk) 01:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC)