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[edit] History of Macedonia

History of Macedonia
This is the larger version (BigHistMac.gif). Here appearing at 400x400px, but actually is 726x726px. Click here for full size.
This is the larger version (BigHistMac.gif). Here appearing at 400x400px, but actually is 726x726px. Click here for full size.

Quite simply the best way of explaining a complicated history I've ever seen. Five seconds watching it and you understand a very complicated history of a name.

Appears in:

  • History of modern Macedonia
  • Macedonia (terminology)
  • Template:Macedonia intro
  • Talk:Macedonia (terminology)/Templates
  • Maps of Bulgaria
  • Maps of Greece
  • Maps of the Republic of Macedonia

Made by NikoSilver, who really must be congratulated.

  • Nominate and support. - Adam Cuerden talk 23:57, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - there are many other regions identified as Macedonia, e.g. the nation Republic of Macedonia and this map does little to clarify or identify that. Debivort 01:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose, given the massive edit wars that have erupted over macedonia on wikipedia, an image that blinks through frames in seconds doesn't really give the chance for careful consideration of borders that should be necessary. We're better off laying them on a plain map in a single frame, without the distractions of animation or satellite photography. Also, given that there is no official definition of Macedonia, isn't this an inherently POV map? Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 02:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - good picture for the article page; bad picture for the front page. --Ineffable3000 23:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Too small and apparently controversial. --Tewy 04:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Neutral. Ok, with the clarification below, I'm reconsidering. As far as size, if there really is a nearly double version of this, then I might weak support. As far as controversy, it sounds like that's been cleared up as well. But even with those improvements, I still don't think this is the best Wikipedia has to offer, so I won't fully support. If the larger version is added to this page, then I'll take a look at it and vote accordingly. --Tewy 22:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Weak support larger version. The size is better now. --Tewy 22:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment: Uploaded double-size Image:BigHistMac.gif per request. Hope you have a fast connection (3.8Mb!). •NikoSilver• 13:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, with thanks to Adam Cuerden, and explain to all:
    • First, I found out randomly browsing about this nomination. I think there should be some procedure involving notification to the uploader.
    • Re: "other regions defined as Macedonia": Of course there are! They are illustrated in all other relevant images and articles. This image, is about the early history of the region of Macedonia. That region (white), appears in the first and last frames of the gif, so as to be always printed like that. That region includes all subregions, no matter how disputed they can be. It includes the main sub-regions of Aegean Macedonia (i.e. Macedonia (Greece)), Vardar Macedonia (i.e. Republic of Macedonia/FYROM), and Pirin Macedonia (i.e. Bulgarian Macedonia), plus some small parts in Albania and Serbia.
    • Re: "massive edit wars": Of course there have been. The issue is highly controversial, and it is still one of the open disputes in the UN. Note, however, that since the creation of the featured article Macedonia (terminology) that includes all those POV's in an NPOV way, these edit wars have stopped. All editors from all sides have approved this non controversial map and have supported the NPOV article where this map is placed.
    • Re: "inherently POV": No it is not POV. Splitting the region would be POV. Showing names in the subregions would be POV. The whole region's existence is not disputed. There seems to be an academic consesus on that, and that is clearly illustrated in the featured article Macedonia (terminology).
    • Re: "Single frame maps": This image shows all early history, not a static frame of history (past or contemporary). For related static images browse all those over at Talk:Macedonia (terminology)/Templates.
    • Re: "Small": Please explain what size is acceptable, as I have this image in almost double size, including all sub-regions and historic regions as separate objects in my PC.
  • Thanks to all, and waiting for constructive comments. •NikoSilver• 11:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose. I like the idea and it's well researched, but I'm not sure an animation is the best medium for this. Something more like Image:Europe Balkans Macedonia zoomed2.jpg is better. Regardless, I think the NASA WorldWind image underlying it makes it more confusing -- a simpler background like Image:LocationMacedonia-HEL-2-z.png would make this a lot clearer IMHO. howcheng {chat} 19:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment: Uploaded double-size Image:BigHistMac.gif per Tewy's request. Does this solve the confusing issue? Needs fast connection (3.8Mb!). Also, the image you proposed was rejected (even described as cat vomet! :-)) I could slow down the frame alterations to help in focusing on each part of history if you wish. Now it is at 1.5sec each (except contemporary which is 2.0sec). •NikoSilver• 13:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose Per above reasons. --Arad 21:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose for above reasons, and because it is misleading to say there is only one contemporary definition. Jonathunder 18:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Not promoted -- tariqabjotu 03:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)