Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Sydney International Piano Competition
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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was promoted 20:12, 11 May 2008.
[edit] Sydney International Piano Competition
This list has been subject to extensive work over the last few days by myself, and now, I believe it meets the featured list criteria. Basically, this is a music competition held in Sydney every four years, obviously not as high profile as a programme such as Australian Idol, for example. I've used a number of different pages of the website, and some third party references, all of which are reliable. All of the people included in the section for each year have one some form of prize, with the first winning $25,000 AUD. Anyways, I believe this is ready for FLC, and I'm willing to address any issues as soon as possible. Qst (talk) 13:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
*Comments Very good work so far, but I can see a couple minor issues.
- Is it possible to expand the lead slightly more?
- The competiton was established in July 1977 by Claire Dan Needs a Non-breaking space and Wikilinking of the date.
- I'd really like to see an image.
- Is it possible to use in-line refs for the chart?
- Its possible, yes, but seeing as the pages on the websites are organised by year, it seemed silly to keep repeating the same citation, so I added them in to a 'general' section at the bottom. Qst (talk) 14:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- Alright, no problem. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- Its possible, yes, but seeing as the pages on the websites are organised by year, it seemed silly to keep repeating the same citation, so I added them in to a 'general' section at the bottom. Qst (talk) 14:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- Support Alright, all of my comments were either resolved or explained, and I don't see anything esle wrong. Well-done list, certainly deserving of FL. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Resolved stuff from The Rambling Man (talk) 06:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
;Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)
- Headings per WP:HEAD, so "Prize winners" not Winners.
- "internationally recognised" I'd switch that round. Personal choice though...
- Is Claire Dan notable? What did she do, who did she represent?
- Last sentence, first para of lead, one too many ", and"'s for me. Split it.
- What about the first three stages? Presumably held locally?
- "smaller prizes in operation" - prizes awarded would sound less mechanical.
- "a number of different countries" - why not specify this?
- Why did the competition only have a three year gap between 1985 and 1988?
- No idea; I did notice this when building up the table and I intended to mention it in the nomination statement, but evidently, I forgot. I think maybe there was a four year gap, as the 1985 competition may have been in January, for example, and the 1988 one in August, so it may have actually been four years. Qst (talk) 19:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
- You could make the general references specific and add the cite web ref to each year in the table. In any case, four of them have full stops, four don't...
- Any reason why you're forcing the widths of the column? On my widescreen they're very wide.
- Is the title correct? Firstly the official site seems to refer to it as "Sydney International Piano Competition of Australia" and secondly this is a list of the winners...
- Well, there is not enough information to have an article about the actual competition, then more info to build up the list, so it makes sense to integrate them in to one. Anyways, I think "of Australia" at the end is just the less common name, and I think just "Sydney International Piano Competition" is just its general, more common name. I'm willing to make a move of this page if there is consensus, but I think its better under its more commonly referred to name, to be honest. :-) Qst (talk) 19:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
- Weak support okay, a couple of issues of mine still need resolving if possible but nothing major enough to prevent a support, albeit weak, from me. I'd still like more on the odd year gap and on the 2nd/3rd rounds but I can see that it may be difficult to get referenceable material on that. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Resolved comments from Rudget
;Comments from Rudget
- Anything planned for 2008? A brief summary inluding a date would be great.
- Done. Thanks for your input! Qst (talk) 16:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
- Have none of the past participants got articles?
That should be it, but I may come back when necessary. Greman Knight. 13:17, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose—Seriously sub-professional writing. Not "comprehensive" as required: which sections did these hosts of competitors win? Title is wrong: "List of Sydney International Piano Competition prize-winners".
- Infobox: "Pianist skills" is wrong, linguistically and conceptually. You can have the skills, but perform poorly on the day. "Exceptional piano performance"?
- "Sydney University" is informal. Please use the proper title.
- Puffery: the two sources supporting the claim in the lead that it's "recognised internationally as one of the world's great Piano Competitions" are both in-house web sites. Ahem.
- "Center" spelt wrongly.
- "Since its establishment in July 1977 by Claire Dan, the competition has since been admitted as a member of the Federation of International Music Competitions in 1978, and is presented in association with ..."—Wrong tense; since x 2 and one is overtaken by the stated year; last clause awkwardly jammed into the sentence. Following sentence ungrammatical. And more. TONY (talk) 08:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, everything is done. The only thing I have not done is move the page to your proposed title, this being because if this was to be renamed, there would be no other information left for the article. I've tried to pull together everything I could find for the lead of the list, so if a separate article were to be created about the competiton, it would basically just be a duplicate of the lead in the list. I hope you're satisified with my response and now able to offer to your support, or otherwise add your comments in to a [show] box. Thanks for the accurate review. Qst (talk) 13:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
- Well, not really. Why are there up to ?13 prize winners each year? Weren't there categories for each? Surely we should be told which category, and who the overall winner was?
- Why the "2008 competitors" table? Won't that look odd in the coming years? Presupposes an unusual amount of updating.
- MOS breach: title "Prize winners", not W. Same in column title.
- Every sentence needs fixing—every one. You need a copy-editor. TONY (talk) 11:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
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