Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Seinfeld (season 3)

*Oppose Poor prose writing and a very messed up Production section.

• • Cover image in the infobox seems to have the UK classification "12" symbol - Seinfeld's American, so any chance we can get a cover pic without the UK classification?
    • Y Done added the us version of the DVD image. Gman124 ^talk 23:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

• • Spaces after colons separating regions/dates in infobox. Y Done
  • Can we have some mention of the cast and characters? You've referenced Lost (season 1), take a look. You've gone and listed all the writers and directors but no cast members.Y Done
    • Entertainment Tonight declined to lend its theme song to Seinfeld to use for the story involving Kramer's Mary Hart-induced seizures in "The Good Samaritan" episode - anyone who's never seen Seinfeld is left wondering, who the bleep is Kramer? While mentioning the cast, mention the characters.Y Done
    • Harris Shore played the role of Mr. Lippman in "The Library" episode. Richard Fancy took over the role for the remainder of the series - this information is completely trivial to mention if you haven't even stated the main characters and actors.Y Done
    • The Elaine story, in "The Letter" was inspired by Larry David's - with no prior mention of characters, one is led to assume this "Elaine" refers to the Pope variety. Plus, comma after "story" unnecessary in this sentence.Y Done
    • George tells his girlfriend (played by Valerie Mahaffey) the truth - why mention the actor of a nameless character when you still haven't told us who plays Jerry?Y Done
      • added cast --Gman124 ^talk 21:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
  • "Changes" heading is completely... misleading? I'm not sure what it is. Changes to what? Are these changes within the season, or changes from the previous season; changes to the actors or changes to characters? Seems to be a combination of all of these, which don't belong together.
    • Y Done chaged the heading. --Gman124 ^talk 21:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Sentence about Julia Louis-Dreyfus's pregnancy implies no change at all. It can hardly be considered a change of "where the character stands on the set".
      • Y Done put it after I mentioned the cast. --Gman124 ^talk 21:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Italicise and wikilink Entertainment Tonight.
  • And with New England Journal of Medicine.
  • "Beginning sentences with "The Truth" episode and "The Good Samaritan" episode is grammatically incorrect. Go for something like "The episode 'The Truth'..." or something like that.Y Done
    • for "The Fix-Up" episode - likewise.Y Done
    • "The Tape" episode - yada yada yada.Y Done
    • Writers Guild of America Award for their work on The Boyfriend, Part 1 episode - that too.Y Done
    • "The Library" episode - you know the drill.Y Done
  • "The Pen" was partly inspired by a sofa bed owned by Jerry's mom Betty. During stays, Jerry would put the couch cushions on the floor - since when do we know "Jerry" personally? To us, he's "Seinfeld".
  • Plot from Real Life experiences - you capitalise "Real Life" as if it's its own universe.Y Done
  • Jerry's mom Betty > "mother".Y Done
  • Season three received eight Emmy nominations, of these two were won > "of which two".
  • Emmy should link to Primetime Emmy Award.Y Done
  • Link the award categories that can be linked.
    • linked the award categories for emmys but couldn't find categories for wga and dga awards. Gman124 ^talk 21:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Writers' Guild Award for their work on The Parking Space - episode name in quotation marks.Y Done
  • Writers Guild of America Award for their work on The Boyfriend, Part 1 episode - as above.Y Done
  • Probably the biggest issue - the whole Production section is based around individual episodes. Forgetting the illogical subheadings for a moment, there is not a single sentence about the actual production of the season (that is, not about the crew members or some random bits about the "changing" cast) that applies to the season as a whole. IMO, there's no reason why we shouldn't just chop out all those episode details and paste them into their respective episode articles under a Production section.
    • Y Done removed the individual episode details and put em in the episode articles. --Gman124 ^talk 01:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
  • by getting a note from Jerry's dentist (Roy) - why not just "Jerry's dentist Roy"?Y Done
  • Jerry's therapist becomes paranoid and thinks he is insane when he makes some casual remarks - who replace the two "he"s with names; I have no idea whether they're referring to Jerry or the therapist.Y Done
  • Why the need to relink all the character names in each plot summary? Unnecessary.
    • Y Done removed the relinks to the character names in plot summaries. --Gman124 ^talk 23:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
  • but she's afraid that he will try to kidnap her son > "she is".Y Done
  • The episode ends with the four eating in Monk's, and viewing Joe DiMaggio dunking his donuts (though DiMaggio is never seen). George then says "You see, now that is a handsome man!" and Jerry and Elaine raise their eyebrows - completely trivial that Joe is never seen, and absolutely unnecessary to quote what some guy says. Chop out everything after word "donuts".Y Done
• Will make more comments tomorrow. It's 12.30am here and I'm exhausted ;) —97198 talk 14:35, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

• • added the cast and fixed some other stuff and put Y Done next to things that I think i have addressed. and removed episode stuffGman124 ^talk 21:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I think I have addressed all comments, do you have any more? please post them. --Gman124 ^talk 01:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
      • Sorry I didn't get back earlier - nice work fixing all the issues above... anyhoo, on with the job:
        • The Babu Bhatt character was originally scripted as Vong Sim, but was later changed - needs full stop (period?) at end. Maybe say "originally scripted under the name of Vong Sim..." just to avoid any potential confusion.Y Done
        • "The Truth" episode was written by Elaine Pope - same 'episode' issue as before.Y Done
        • their work on "The Boyfriend, Part 1" episode - and that.Y Done
        • for "The Tape" episode - that too.Y Done
        • Why link "The Parking Space" and "The Boyfriend, Part 1" at end of Awards but not link any episode names in preceding prose? i.e. The Truth, The Library, all the eps mentioned in the real life bit, all the other eps nominated for awards. Either link them all or link none.Y Done
        • Still not too keen on Plot from real life experiences section... maybe add a sentence at beginning like "A number of the season's episodes were inspired by the writers' own experiences" just to generalise the section a bit.Y Done
        • The Elaine story, in "The Letter" - no comma needed.Y Done
        • George's girlfriend, who is an accountant, was supposed to help him out > "George's girlfriend, an accountant, was..."Y Done
        • Why list some guest stars and not others? Delete all, IMO.Y Done
        • Jerry can't go out anywhere > "cannot".Y Done
        • the movie 'Prognosis Negative' - it's a fictional movie but italicise nonetheless.Y Done
        • realize they don't have > "do not".Y Done
        • Jerry Seinfeld finds out - why the surname all of a sudden?Y Done
        • unreturned library book from 1971 - unlink 1971 as individual years shouldn't be.Y Done
        • her orange dress is 'burned into his memory' - use double quote marks "like these".Y Done
        • he actually loaned Cancer to George - we're still talking about the book, so italicise Cancer.Y Done
        • As for Jerry, he is eager to urinate > "Jerry is eager to urinate"Y Done
        • the restaurant, and its owner Babu Bhatt - no comma needed.Y Done
        • This plan backfires, as when Elaine enters the Dream Café, and is distracted, and performs poorly - doesn't make sense. Do you mean "he is distracted"?Y Done
        • Monica (George's girlfriend) > "George's girlfriend, Monica"Y Done
        • Entire synopsis for "The Tape": Elaine is the only female mentioned, so change some of the "Elaine"s to "she"s and "her"s.Y Done
        • Jerry is conflicted about his relationship with an actress - he's conflicted? Maybe use a different word; doesn't make much sense.Y Done
        • once it's fixed she's beautiful > "it is"; "she is".Y Done
        • just as Jerry's heading out the door > "Jerry is".Y Done
        • they hire a prostitute over - maybe "they hire a prostitute to come over".Y Done
        • Jerry tries to pay the girl so she'll leave > "she will".Y Done
        • cops arrive and he's "busted" > "police"; "he is".Y Done
        • expensive, cashmere sweater - no comma needed as "cashmere sweater" is one phrase.Y Done
        • and thus George gets fired, as she reports their affair - perhaps "and George is fired after she reports their affair".Y Done
        • Jerry's friend developed a drug problem because Kramer told him to pour Gatorade on Marty Benson's head after winning a softball game. The coach developed pneumonia and died - why the past tense? If it happened prior to the episode's events, it shouldn't be stuck in the middle of the plot summary.Y Done
        • Jerry becomes worried when Newman (a friend of Martin) > "Martin's friend, Newman".Y Done
        • Everything hinges on a Drake's coffee cake - I don't get it...?Y Done
        • He finds a space, and decides to back into it - clarify that it's a "parking space".Y Done
        • he would never sink to fix-ups, saying that a fix up is one step - either use fix-up or fix up; here you've used both. I'd go with fix-up as that's in the episode title.Y Done
        • Why are The Boyfriend - Part 1 and Part 2 written in the table with dashes, but with piped links with commas in the title? What's official?Y Done
        • see a former neighbors' new baby > "neighbor's" (singular).Y Done
        • O'Brian or O'Brien? You use both in The Limo summary.Y Done
      • That's it; enjoy :) —97198 talk 13:25, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
        • I think I have fixed everything, you asked. Thanks for your comments, got any more? --Gman124 ^talk 15:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• The lead looks like a rush job. It doesn't introduce the rest of the article with regards to production crew, locations, awards, etc.Y Done
• What is NBC Network? Perhaps say "A U.S. network television station" or something to provide context to non-AmericansY Done
• Wikilink to CBS Studio Center in Studio City, CaliforniaY Done
• "...and a host of Jerry's friends and acquaintances,.." Jerry the character, or Jerry the actor?
  • Y Done rewrote the line. --Gman124 ^talk 15:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
• Wikilink to Anaheim, CaliforniaY Done
• Set Details, Special Features and Release Dates in the DVD section should follow WP:HEAD and not be over-capitalised. References for the release dates are needed, too.Y Done

That's all I've got for this one. -- Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 04:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

• Sorry, but I don't see that 2, 3 and 5 have been done. Perhaps you were thinking of season 1, which consisted of a a lot of the same comments?

• • Y Done this time finished. --Gman124 ^talk 20:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

• "Harris Shore played the role of Mr. Lippman in "The Library" episode;" remove "episode"Y Done
• "The episode "The Pen"..." can be simply ""The Pen"..."Y Done
• "The Chinese baldness cure that George tries in the episode "The Tape"" again, remove "the episode"Y Done
• Wikilink to Los Angeles Times, and italicise per MOS:TITLEY Done
• is "Angels-Yankees" using the hyphen correctly in place of a dash? I'm not sure so check it outY Done
• Wikilink to Gene AutryY Done
• explain what a box is for non-sports fansY Done
• Per WP:PLOT episode plots are self referenceable and so the references should be removedY Done
• I thought that the episode table used {{episode list}}, but it doesn't. Please re-work the table so that it does, and then at some point in the future it can be transcluded onto the main episode list pageY Done
• Don't use colour just for the sake of using colours. A lot of the season pages go with a colour close to the season's DVD casing, but that's not necessary here as all the DVDs are mostly blue. Think about what it adds to the page. I'd be happy to see a plainer coloured table.Y Done

:**I just added the colors because I felt that it's a bit easier to view the table info in my opinion with the color, it makes it easier to separate the summaries from the episode titles and other stuff. --Gman124 ^talk 20:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

• "restaurant called "The Dream Café,"" companies shouldn't be in quotesY Done
• There's a lot of arbitrary wikilinking in the summaries. Y Done
• "does a very shoddy job" unencyclopedicY Done

-- Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 21:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC) -- Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 21:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I think I answered all your comments this time. --Gman124 ^talk 15:51, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

More

• In the lead, can a citation be found for ""The Tape", "The Pen", and "The Letter" are some of the season's episodes that were inspired by the writers' own experiences."?Y Done
• "in terms of how they made the shows; it’s where they started doing non linear storylines" Who is the "they"? Probably change to "the producers" or "writers" or whatever fits best.
  • Y Done changed around the wording a bit. --Gman124 (talk) 19:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• Does reference 3 verify the characteristics of the characters, or should it be placed at the end of the previous sentence?
  • Y Done put ref 3 at previous line as well. Gman124 (talk) 19:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• "in November 23" should be "on November 23" Also, there is no need to say "Region 1 in the United States and Canada" because only the US and Canada are in Region 1. Simply "Region 1 on November 23, 2004". No need for "format" following "Region 2" and "Region 4" either.Y Done
• If possible change references 5 and 6 (for Region 2 and 4 release dates) to ones that are not sales sites
  • Could not find sites that have release dates other than sale sites. found some sites that had reviews but not the release date. --Gman124 (talk) 19:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• I checked out the Angels-Yankees thing, and per WP:DASH it's space, ndash, space,(Angels – Yankees), not an mdash that is needed.Y Done

I think that will do it from me! Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)