Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/NHL Plus-Minus Award

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 20 days, 4 support, 0 oppose. Promote. Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

This should be, barring delistings, the last trophy FLC in featured topic drive. Rejoice reviewers! Onto a more serious note, page is fully referenced and all concern will be addressed. As a note to the wondering, this list was actually written in parts by three different users (see history), unlike most trophy FLs which were rewritten more or less by a single user. Maxim_{(talk) (contributions)} 22:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comments
  • The seasons should be in 19xx-xx format. Y Done
  • The years where there are tied winners should be modeled after Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy. Y Done
  • The History of Names section should be merged into the history section and prosified, and it needs citations. Y Done
  • The lead could use another sentence or two. Y Done
  • As there have been a large number of forwards and defence players that have won the award, perhaps a Position column could be added to the table? Y Done
• That's all I can think of for now. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I did everything specified. Anything more? :D Maxim_{(talk) (contributions)} 22:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Nope, I am satisfied. Support. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comment - Shouldn't the list go from earliest to latest like Hart Memorial Trophy, and most of the other NHL awards? Bsroiaadn^Talk 03:17, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
  • You're right. I missed that in my review... D'oh! -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 14:48, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Fixed. Sorry for the delay... :( Maxim_{(talk) (contributions)} 15:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Support - Looks good to me, I'm satisfied. Bsroiaadn^Talk 00:46, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comments - Another great list. Just a few concerns:
  • Overlinking in image captions
  • Prose in lead - the last sentence: Thomas Vanek of the Buffalo Sabres is the most recent winner, he finished the 2006-07 season with a +47. should be reworded, as it is incomplete. Also, "plus/minus statistics" should be wikilinked.
  • Quote without a citation - The first sentence of the lead uses a direct quote, and thus should be cited.
  • Prose in the History section - 3rd paragraph is only one sentence, it would probably be best if combined with the 2nd paragraph.
  • Why are active players not highlighted blue, to be consistent with other hockey award lists?
  • I think the second statistics list should have a brief heading, reiterating that the award was not established until 1983.
  • Captions in statistics section - I may just be reading this incorrectly, but why are the images in the statistical leaders section labeled as "winners", when the award was not yet established? Perhaps "leader", and then winner? I also don't think that Joe Sakic's image should be in this section, as he never was a ststistical leader before the award was created.
  • Official name - What is the award's official name? NHL Plus-Minus Award is used in the lead and the title, while NHL Plus/Minus Award is used in the infobox. I would think that these should be consistent.
• Anyway, I'll support as soon as these comments are addressed or explained. Great job! Rai-me 00:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I've been kinda offline for the last few days, sorry for not getting back quicker. I've fixed everything except the active players (on my to-do list, it's not such a "quick-fix",I kinda don't see the point in adding a note to the 1967-82 section, it's assumed that the reader had read about the history. And about the sakic image, I don't think it's a big deal, as the images are arranged in one column. --Maxim_{(talk) (contributions)} 23:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Reading a one sentence statement about the statistic being established is not enough to introduce an entire section and warrant the absence of a heading. The list, per the title and the lead, is specifically about the award, not the award and the statistic. So, while the award section is effectively introduced by the lead, the statistics section is not, at least IMO. Adding a short heading for the section, even if only one or two sentences long, will help clarify any confusion for readers. And I also disagree about the images; yes, they are in one caloumn, but they are subdivided into two sections - winners and statistics leaders. Images of winners are more appropriately placed in the list pertaining to winners. Are there no other images of statistical leaders that can be used, to go along with the Gretzky and in place of the Sakic? Cheers, Rai-me 21:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I've added the note, and got rid of Sakic. As I say below, I can't find anything decent to use. Otherwise, I still need to add active players, and otherwise, I think I've addressed all your concerns. --Maxim_{(talk) (contributions)} 12:06, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Support - Thanks for adding the note and removing the image. As I stated above, this is a great list! Cheers, Rai-me 12:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment This is a hockey trophy, correct? Why does this article not say that? Pagrashtak 18:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • The second word in the article is NHL (and it is mentioned in the title) so I think it was assumed that most people could make the connection. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 18:17, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
    • However, NHL was used only in the award name, which cast some doubt on the assumption. The new wording is much clearer. Pagrashtak 18:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comments:
  • I realize that no appropriate images of Gretzky or Pronger are available here or on Commons (I checked), but if they do become available the images should be replaced to show them with the teams they won the award with: Gretzky with the Oilers and Pronger with the Blues.
  • I will echo Pagrashtak's question: is this a trophy? As in, is there hardware given to the recipient or is it a certificate, a cash prize, a box of Alka-Seltzer/Beer/whatever-Emory-Edge-is? --maclean 19:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I haven't been able to find any better pictures, unfortunately, and I've looked around the 'net for something free, to no avail. I've added to the lead that's it's a trophy, so I hope that should clarify things. Maxim_{(talk) (contributions)} 12:06, 27 October 2007 (UTC)