Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Polish flags

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 15/16 days, 8 support, an oppose, and an abstain. Promote. Spebi 01:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Selfnom. I believe this list meets all the criteria for a featured list. — Kpalion^(talk) 14:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

• Conditional Support: There needs to be some indication in the "Use" column of what those little symbols mean. After some searching, I found the FIAV symbol, but it shouldn't need to be searched for :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Is it better now? — Kpalion^(talk) 19:16, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks fine :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

• Support: looks good - well constructed and informative Goldfinger820 22:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support: Well written, well laid out and comprehensive. — Gasheadsteve ^{Talk to me} 08:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support: Well referenced, organized and looks comprehensive. -- Underneath-it-All 03:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support: очень интересно --Mini@ 08:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
• Mild oppose
  1. Can the lead be enhanced some? It's definitely a bit short for such a wide-reaching topic.
  2. The "official flag" section should probably mention that in actual use, the two flags are used rather exchangeably Y Done
  3. Historical flags, if any, are usually listed, but it's hard to tell, given the organization of related articles, whether any relevant ones existed.
  4. As an unrelated aside, I'm intrigued by the weirdly long name for the naval auxiliary ensign... Y answered
  5. I'm wondering if there's a way to organise the table so that the "names" columns is not so compressed, and possibly give "proportion" a column of its own... There's probably none that would do a good job, but it'd be nice if one could be devised. Not really doable, just wanted to point it out.
  6. The list should specify whenever flags can/are be run concurrently with others. I'm pretty sure the Rank and Commissioning pennants, as well as the Rank flags are flown with the Navy flags, but I'd rather the list tell me. N Not done
  7. That gallery section is entirely unnecessary.

Circeus 05:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

1. Could you please specify what kind of information you'd like to see in the lead?

   How about the legislation covering the use of the flag/flags in general in Poland? Mentioning the fact most of them are based on one of the versions of the country's flag? What, if anything, makes flags special in Poland? Circeus 01:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

   I expanded the lead with some historical information trying not to reduplicate too much of what is already said at Flag of Poland. — Kpalion^(talk) 21:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

2. Done.
3. What would be the criteria for including a historical design in the list? Listing every single modification of each flag plus many obsolete flags of little significance would make the list not only insanely long, but also illegible. I think some of the more interesting flags might have their own articles and this would be a good place to discuss former versions (Flag of Poland and Jack of the President of the Republic of Poland already have their own articles with History sections; I think I might also add an article about the Polish naval jack and maybe the Polish war ensign).

   I don't know if any informal or official flags have existed to countries preceding the republic of Poland, which is why I'm not making it a full argument for inclusion, just asking. Did Communist Poland have a different design? Circeus 01:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

   I hope the new lead explains it now. Please let me know, if something needs to be clarified. — Kpalion^(talk) 21:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

4. Sometimes English is more concise than Polish. A very literal translation of bandera pomocniczych jednostek pływających Marynarki Wojennej would be "ensign of auxiliary floating units of the War Marine". Bandera p.j.p. is used in everyday language.

   Thanks!Circeus 01:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

5. I made the Name column a little wider; please see, if you like it better now. Remember that how crammed the columns are depends on the resolution of your screen. I think creating a separate column for the proportion would make the table even more compressed. Besides, the longest text in such a column would be in the header.

   As I said, I doubt it can really be helped, but thanks for trying. Circeus 01:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

6. That's a good point. I'll see, if I can add more info about that.

   That's not as easy as I thought. The best source would be the Naval Service Regulations (Regulamin Służby Okrętowej), an internal document of the Navy. Unfortunately it is not available on the web. Looking at an old discussion in Polish Wiki I saw that someone has already asked the Navy to provide them the document and they didn't receive it. I will still try to find the information in other sources, but it may take some time. — Kpalion^(talk) 21:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

7. I believe it's good to have a few sample photographs of the flags actually flying in their natural environment, so to speak. I know galleries in articles are generally shunned upon, but in this case, there's no way to integrate the images into the text, because it's mostly tables. And on the other hand, creating a separate page on Commons for only three images would be an overkill, wouldn't it?

   How about moving one as the second lead imag, filling the space right of the Table of Conten, and another as a lead image under "Military flags"? That way, you don't necessarily need a gallery. Circeus 01:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

   I hope it's better now. — Kpalion^(talk) 21:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

— Kpalion^(talk) 19:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

• Support, well written. - Darwinek 18:03, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
• Abstain. Great, but I wonder if it is comprehensive - would like to see a section on historical flags, too.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 18:08, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Please see my response (point 3) to Circeus above. — Kpalion^(talk) 19:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree there is no easy solution; hence I am not objecting. But at least several major flags from Polish history should be included, even if only with directions to more detailed articles on those subjects.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 19:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you have any specific flags in mind? If so, please put your suggestions on the article's talk page. — Kpalion^(talk) 19:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

What about Image:Choragiew Krakowska.png, Image:Kongresówka.JPG, Image:Flag of Krakow.svg or Image:Flaga PPP.svg? Sure, they are not comprehensive, but they should be somehow mentioned/linked in the article. -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 21:03, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

• Support. Very well-sourced and well written list. --Carioca 04:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)