Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of NCIS episodes

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 12 days, 0 support, 3 oppose. Fail. Juhachi 22:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I wanted to submit this list for review as a FL. Yes, I know, it got fair-use images (and some of you might think of it as excessive), but so do the FLs List of Stargate SG-1 episodes, List of South Park episodes and all the sub-lists from List of The Simpsons episodes, thus in there shouldn't be a different treatment for my suggestion.
The list does, as far as I can tell, meet all the criteria of a FL, but I need some other opinions about it. Except for "too many FU images, thus it's bad"-comments if possible ;-) --SoWhy ^Talk 19:09, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

• Object The episode summaries are single sentences at times. They should be a solid, but short paragraph that summarizes the episode from beginning to end. The images don't have acceptable fair use rationales for this list. The specific use must be explained. Claiming the image is encyclopedic and aides critical commentary is not sufficient because you could say that about any image anywhere. Jay32183 18:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
• Comment the guideline for LOEs (lists of episodes) is to follow the example of other featured list LOEs (pictures are optional, due to the FU controversey), so I would recommend that you model this after an LOE like the ones you listed, or also like List of The Sopranos episodes or List of The Unit episodes. Cliff smith 00:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I actually did. The layout is from the SG-1 list, apart from the short summaries (as Jay said above), what differences do you see? --SoWhy ^Talk 07:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Color-coding, and a Season table to go with it. SG-1 was FL long before the more recent consensus on how to do LOEs. It's not an extreme difference, but even the template for episode lists—{{Episode list}}—provides for color coding. Cliff smith 00:16, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose There are too many redlinks, and the episode summaries are far too short. The summaries don't summarise the plot - they just give a teaser, as would be found in a TV listings magazine. For example, "A Marine dies in a night skydiving accident, but Gibbs thinks it was murder." That tells me nothing beyond the first few minutesof the episode. Why was the Marine skydiving at night? What sort of accident was it? Who is Gibbs? Why does he think it was murder? Why is Gibbs thinking it's murder such a big deal? Who is suspected of the murder? Does it turn out to be murder? The sentence makes me want to go out and watch the episode, but it doesn't summarise the plot. Tompw (talk) (review) 11:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment You are right of course, just like Jay32183. Being the only active maintainer of this list, I will go over the list and fix that as soon as possible, which tho will take some days. I don't see the redlinks as a big problem tho, because the purpose of the list is, as you said when criticizing the short summaries, that you can find out the important information about an episode from the list without need of a subpage (if there is none). --SoWhy ^Talk 12:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Generally, with list items, you don't redlink all remaining terms until there are very few left. If every item of the list deserves an article then it should probably have before becoming an FL. There's the possibility that not all the items deserve articles, especiially if those articles will just be detailed plot summaries. Wait until you have production and reception info to build individual pages, and leave black text on those for which you have not found that info in the mean time. Jay32183 17:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
• Comment - Perhaps it would be best to "postpone" the nom. till all the episode pages are created and the summaries are completed? I don't watch NCIS so I can't offer much help. Also, what about converting to {{episode list}}? Matthew 21:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose it has screenshots. JuJube 07:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
  • It doesn't anymore. Jay32183 20:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)