Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/El-P discography

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The list was promoted 16:14, 8 May 2008.

[edit] El-P discography

Been working on this bad boy for some time now, and I think it's ready. As always, any suggestions and comments are welcome. Drewcifer (talk) 09:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)

• Avoid bold links in the lead per WP:LEAD#Bold title

Nearly every discography does this, and I would argue that discographies would be a good exception to the rule, simply becase it's important to link to the artist as soon as possible, since the discography is secondary to the artist's page.

I don't buy the "nearly every other x does this"... it doesn't sanction a breach of the manual of the style. You could argue that all articles need their subject matter to be linked as soon as possible, discographies aren't unique in that. It's very easy to comply with the MOS, many hundreds of featured articles and lists have done it so I see no reason for this discography not to do the same. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll tell you what: I'll fix it for now, and I'll bring up the topic at WP:DISCOG and see if it's worth making a project-wide exception for. Drewcifer (talk) 12:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

It's not exceptional. There are three other FLs (Feeder, Tenacious D and Carrie Underwood) all of whom comply with the MOS. Also, across the discog FLs there's a wide range of intros, such as "a comprehensive listing", "a complete discography", "a listing of official releases", so complying with the MOS here is by no means a precedent. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. Like I said, I fixed it in this discog, and I'll bring it up at WP:Discog and see if it's even worth bothering making an exception for. Drewcifer (talk) 13:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• Not sure if comprehensive is needed, it needs to be complete for it to be "the" discography so the phrase is redundant.
• "To date"... better to put a timeframe on this.
• Link Company Flow the first time rather than the second time of use.
• Some things in the lead seem (to me) to need citation, such as "Following disagreements with the group's label"...
• Space needed before that sentence as well.
• Cage is linked twice in quick succession.
• "September 11, 2002." I guess you mean 2001.

That's about all I have. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:27, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Took care of all of your suggestions except the first (see my comment above). Thanks for the help! Drewcifer (talk) 21:25, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

• Support I don't have anything for you! Nice job! Burningclean _[speak] 03:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again! Drewcifer (talk) 21:25, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

• support Comprehensive and well laid out. Tompw (talk) (review) 16:13, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• "The following is the discography of El-P, also known as El-Producto, a New-York based hip-hop rapper and producer and co-founder, owner, and CEO of Definitive Jux Records." Where should a further comma be placed? Where should a missing hyphen be located?

Uhm, I give up? Did you have something in mind?

• In any case, please don't repeat the title verbatim in the opening sentence. Try "El-P, also known as El-Producto, is a New-York-based ...".

Why not? Is there an MOS on this? I thought this was pretty standard practice? I also assumed it was encouraged to bold (and therefore) repeat the title.

• Remove "also" and it's stronger.

I disagree. That would make sense if I hard started the lead out with his real name, but not his stage name. Try reading it out loud without the "also", it doesn't mean the same thing with out the also.

• Entry criteria: "Releases from El-P's various groups such as Company Flow and The Weatherman are not included in this discography." Unsure what this means. Various? If not "groups", what is in the list?

Reworded, hopefully it's clearer now.

• His real name?

Added.

• I presume the formatting of the titles is MOS-compliant (italics, quotes, etc).

Yes.

• "Double CD mixtape only sold at shows"—Only sold and not bought? Shift "only" to as late as possible in a sentence. Occurs elsewhere too.

Reworded.

• Lower-case letters sometimes start the boxed text. Make consistent? While on that general topic, I'd personally prefer not to use title case in the titles; I think you have the choice, but I'm not completely sure. Title case can look like alphabet soup in this kind of table. TONY (talk) 12:16, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what you mean by that. Could you be more specific? Drewcifer (talk) 02:01, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Support - well done. Marrio (talk) 01:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

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