Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Calder Memorial Trophy

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 11 days, 4 support, 0 oppose. Promote. Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

This is yet another list done in the mold of featured list, Hart Memorial Trophy, is fully referenced and I'll be happy to make any changes necessary to make this a featured list. Croat Canuck Say hello or just talk 22:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

• 'Some comments by Maxim_(talk)'
• Two images, the Tony Esposito and Peter Statsny are fair use, and therefore are to be used only in the articles of their subject per policy. What I mean is that Tony's pic can only be used in Tony's article and not in another one.

Y Done removed and replaced Croat Canuck Say hello or just talk 21:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

• You're overlinking in the captions. You already have links in the list proper.

Y Done links removed Croat Canuck Say hello or just talk 21:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

That's about all I can think of. When you have addressed, I will re-assess the article (AKA support).

• Comment - Here are my concerns:
  • The two fair use images need to be removed, as they fail fair use criteria in that there is free content that can be used (i.e. all of the other hockey player pictures) and there is no particular need to use those particular images.
    • Y Done see above Croat Canuck Say hello or just talk 21:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I see some problems with prose in the History section, Paragraphs like this one: It has been won the most times by Toronto Maple Leafs, who have won it on nine occasions are very stubby, and would be better if combined with larger paragraphs. Also, the third paragraph doesn't flow well. It goes from the oldest player to when the trophy was renamed. The exact sentence about the trophy being renamed is already repeated in the first paragraph, so it should be removed. I would suggest merging the stubby 2nd-paragraph into the third one.
    • Y Done I didn't like it either, I think it was added after I did my work on it. Croat Canuck Say hello or just talk 21:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • The Positions key table should be reformatted into one along the lines of the Hart Memorial Trophy FL for consistency, particularly moving Still active into its own separate      Player is still active table.
    • Y Done Croat Canuck Say hello or just talk 21:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • As Maxim already stated, the overlinking in captions should be removed. There is no need to provide wikilinks in captions when they atre already presented in the list.
    • Y Done - see above Croat Canuck Say hello or just talk 21:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Why is there a stray *Age as of September 15 of their rookie season at the bottom of the page? It either needs to be linked somewhere in the list (i.e. next to the Age column heading), or removed.
    • Y Done - just decided to remove it Croat Canuck Say hello or just talk 21:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • The wikilinks to September 15 (in the stray note and in the History section) should be removed.
    • Y Done Croat Canuck Say hello or just talk 21:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
• Raime 02:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Support in light of recent improvements. Raime 04:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

• Please fix short lead. Renata 05:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps a word as to how I could go about doing that. All the noteworthy information necessary for the first paragraph is in the first paragraph, I shouldn't mention who the current holder is in there because its already in the infobox, which would make it redundant. Need I mention that the FL Hart Memorial Trophy contains exactly the same information in its opening paragraph, except for the fact that words and explanations are longer to push it to one line more than this one? Croat Canuck Say hello or just talk 19:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

The lead in this article is fine. Any expansion is unnecessary. Lists generally are fine with shorter leads. As long as a lead adequately summarizes an article, as this one does, then there is no need to make it longer. Raime 19:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I was just wondering what you meant by that. Croat Canuck Say hello or just talk 22:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

What I meant by what? I completely agree with your analysis; per the Hart Trophy FL, the lead in this list is fine. Raime 01:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, it is not important, I was just referring to your original comment. Don't worry about that. Croat Canuck Say hello or just talk 03:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I think you mean the original comment made by Renata. But you're right, let's drop it. Raime 15:22, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Haha, oh my dyslexic side kicked in there... I assumed you were Renata, you both start with R's. Anyways, sorry for the mix-up, Raime! Croat Canuck Say hello or just talk 01:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem :) Raime 01:59, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

• Support as all concerns have been met and I "forgot" to do so. :D Maxim_(talk) 12:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
• Support - It's well sourced and a great looking page. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 17:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)