Wikipedia:Featured article review/AC/DC/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was kept 08:56, 10 September 2007.

[edit] AC/DC

No-Bullet, HK51, Anger22 and Wikiproject Fair Use Review notified

Request the evaluation of non-free media included in this article. The article currently contains ten non-free audio samples, which would seem to be excessive per featured article criterion #3 and WP:NFCC#3a. Videmus Omnia ^Talk 03:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Please follow the instructions at WP:FAR and notify involved editors and relevant WikiProjects, and post a notice of here of notifications (see other FARs). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I posted notification with the top three editors of the article (User:No-Bullet, User:HK51, and User:Anger22), as well as the talk pages of all WikiProjects listed on the article talk page. Videmus Omnia ^Talk 03:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Notification also left at WP:FUR. Videmus Omnia ^Talk 13:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

It's quite strange that the article was at first refused featured article status due to its lack of audio files, and now it's under review because it has too many. I swear, Wikipedia is too paranoid about fair use these days, policies are going up and down like yo-yos but that's a discussion that doesn't belong here. Anyway, if all (or most) of the audio files were removed from the article, would it affect the article's featured status? I don't believe it should, the article would still remain a well-referenced and consistent article. The removal of the audio files will most definitely make the article less useful, but that's something we can't really help.

But anyway, my stance is that if the audio files break policy, we've not really got a choice but to remove them. I think the article will suffer for it though. ĤĶ51→^Łalk 14:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

• Question Videmus Omnia, may I ask why you chose to initiate a FAR and "post notification" to the WikiProjects and editors and WP:FUR instead of 1) editing the article, and 2) posting a note on the article talk page? Note: Videmus Omnia moved this question to the AC/DC FAR talk page. I'm moving it back without his reply which he is of course welcome to copy here as well. -Susanlesch 14:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
  • This question really has nothing to do with the featured article itself. Please limit this type of discussion to the talk page. Videmus Omnia ^Talk 15:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know why he did this for sure, but I do know that it's sometimes hard to get editors of particular FA articles to focus on WP:NFC issues, and bold changes are often reverted with a minimum of discussion. -- But|seriously|folks  16:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

User Videmus Omnia added the non free template, but I removed later, because the article passed FA with these audio files. I can't see why there are "too many" now. Please read the FA nomination. No-Bullet (Talk • Contribs) 01:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment - since then, the Foundation has published their licensing resolution on non-free media, which has resulted in a new look at how we treat non-free media. Videmus Omnia ^Talk 01:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Question Videmus Omnia, may I ask which AC/DC samples you'd like to see removed? The first place to ask about the use of non-free AC/DC materials to my mind would be the article talk page. Unless you have a specific sample in mind I would like to propose that this FAR be closed for lack of a reason to be open. Thanks for your efforts, though. -Susanlesch 01:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I brought the question here so an expert on Featured Articles can make that determination. I don't know what the right number is. Videmus Omnia ^Talk 02:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

There is no "right number" - per WP:NFCC#3 Multiple items are not used if one will suffice; one is used only if necessary. In the case of a band that spanned such a long time frame, and changed musical style a good deal in that time, one item certainly wouldn't suffice. In the case of this article, there is (with one exception) no more then one audio sample per album. Exceptions: samples from You Shook Me All Night Long and Back in Black (song), both from the same album (Back in Black). Remove one of those, and I really don't see any more problems. Giggy ^Talk 03:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

• Question - Following up on what HK51 (talk · contribs) said, if some of the audio samples were removed (leaving only a few), would the article be up to FA status? Are there any other issues? Or can we get this finished a bit quicker then usual :) Giggy ^Talk 01:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, if this FAR is to remain open, you're probably safer notifying the next editor down from User:Anger22 as he hasn't been online or edited since February and probably won't be able to take part in this discussion. ĤĶ51→^Łalk 10:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Are we done here or are the concerns still outstanding? Marskell 13:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

• Marskell, thanks for asking. I think we were done before we started. I almost deleted the sample from the album Giggy mentioned except from what little I know that one is kind of an exception and there's no way to choose one or the other. So I guess I propose this FAR be closed for lack of a reason to be open. Best wishes. -Susanlesch 13:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I see that most everyone commenting feels this review is unneeded. It is possible that a file slipped through FAC that isn't compliant with policy but a talk page thread to discuss would be enough. Marskell 08:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

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