Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Wales national rugby union team

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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 16:28, 18 November 2007.

[edit] Wales national rugby union team

I believe this article meets all the FA criteria. It is well referenced, well written, comprehensive and illustrated where appropriate. It has been written very much along the lines of national rugby union team FA articles England national rugby union team, France national rugby union team and All Blacks. Thanks. Shudde talk 05:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Support but source the second paragraph. Perspicacite 09:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Second paragraph of what the lead? I don't think referencing the lead is necessary unless it's particularly controversial or contains quotes. If you could be more specific I'm sure I could find a reference. Thanks. - Shudde talk 19:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Support Comments
  • Nicely written (particularly given the shopping list nature of much of the material) but I recommend a quick run through by a disengaged copy editor. For instance, the opening sentence—"The Wales national rugby union team represent Wales in international rugby union."—hangs. (Rugby union what? Football? Tournaments?) Later, there's a mild howler: "Wales play in red jerseys, embroidered with the Prince of Wales's feathers, white shorts, and red socks". The main copy issue is wordiness and inelegance: "which was felt particularly hard in South Wales" ("which hit South Wales hard"?); "and there was a different captain for each one" ("with a different captain for each"); "as many of Wales' best players decided to convert to rugby league" ("as many converted to rugby league"?); "Due to legislation concerning advertising of alcohol" ("ban on advertising alcohol"?) etc. These, I stress, are examples only and it does need the blue pencil.
  • The Early Years date range doesn't correspond to the dates in the text under it. Perhaps move the pre-1881 stuff back to below the history heading as a preamble to the sections.
  • Various small Mos issues: date ranges in headings (no spaces, en dash) centuries in numerals;
  • And, frustratingly, you don't explain why they wore black to celebrate their 125th anniversary :)
--ROGER DAVIES TALK 18:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments. To address your concerns:
  • What is the difference between representing Wales in rugby union or rugby union football? They are the same thing right?
  • I've fixed those sentences you wanted copy-edited. You said there are more, but you are going to have to point them out to me.
  • I've fixed those MoS breaches.
  • I don't know why they decided to wear black to celebrate the 125th anniversary! All I know is that it was part of the celebrations. Who knows, was probably some marketers idea for how to sell more jerseys! :-)
Please let me know what else needs to be done to get your support. - Shudde talk 19:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
You have it now. I see nothing here to warrant outright opposition. It's a well-researched lucidly-written piece. --ROGER DAVIES TALK
[Disclosure] I have since given this a quick copy edit at Shudde's request. --ROGER DAVIES TALK 12:08, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Support: Brilliant subject. Well written and illustrated. Even has an image of the Millennium Stadium with a blue sky, something I have never managed to see. This is how FAs should be. Giano 09:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Support Very good but I can see a few writing problems.
  • Is professionalisation a word? (Yes, in the Shorter Oxford - RD}
  • "Millennium Stadium which was finished" not "finished" is the best word to use here. (Recast - RD)
  • "triple crown" is a proper noun. (The uncapitalised ones have been fixed - RD)
  • "one of the Home Nations" what are the Home Nations? (Explained - RD)
  • "the Ireland versus Wales match" why "the" (Normal usage but recast anyway - RD)
  • "lineouts" line-outs (Fixed for consistency - RD)
  • "24–3;" why the colon? (Recast sentence and replaced with comma - RD)
  • "Five Nations (that included France)" I'm guessing this mean there was a Five Nations before but it didn't included France but I can't be sure. Also why is it in brackets? (clarified - RD)
  • What is the logic the Modern era starting in 1983?
  • Use either "quarter finals" or "quarter-finals". (Fixed "quarter-final" - RD)
  • "Wales also donned a black jersey" is donned the best word to use? (Fixed - RD)
  • Maybe something about them being the founding farthers of rubgy and there rivalry with England and the All Blacks in the lead. Just a suggestion.
  • There is maybe too much stuff in the Grounds setion.
  • Slight format problem with the Test recordtable and Gwyn Nicholls image.
  • Since the Notable players section only appears to be about hall of fame players how about renaming it "Hall of Fame players" (Changed. Shudde may disagree - RD)
  • Readers may not know what WRU stands for. (Linked at the beginning - RD)
  • See if you can imcorperate the See also links into the article.
Buc 11:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments, just a few things that have not been addressed by RD:
  • The modern era started in 1983 because was after the second golden age, and because the game has become more professional since then. It's the best description I could think of.
  • I don't see why there should not be rivalries mentioned in the lead because they are not mentioned in the main article. Rivalries are often very POV, and hard to reference because of this. The 1905 All Blacks game is mentioned in the lead because that is particularly notable, but I'm not sure if there is an England equivalent (to the best of my knowledge there is not).
  • Maybe they should be. Buc 08:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
  • They shouldn't I don't think for the reasons I said above. - Shudde talk 09:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
  • I think the grounds section is fine, basically summarises the history of Millennium Stadium and Cardiff Arms Park — both very famous rugby grounds.
  • I have changed the section title back to Notable players. This is consistent with other FA class national rugby union team articles. One of the main reasons for not being more specific is that there may be other criteria for inclusion, there is now an IRB Hall of Fame as well as the International Rugby Hall of Fame, but the IRB one is very new. Gareth Edwards is going to be inducted into the IRB Hall of Fame, but has not been yet. Also there are the IRB Awards that may be incorporated into this section (no Welsh players have won IRB Player of the Year yet so not an issue at the moment).
  • I've removed misc see also links.
Hopefully this addresses everything. - Shudde talk 22:59, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Support: Don't see any glaring ommissions apart from perhaps the colour of the change strip - is it still white, not gray? --Bob 21:47, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
You are right! I'll fix it soon. - Shudde talk 22:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
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