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The article was not promoted 00:34, 18 April 2008.

[edit] The Contest

Self-nomination. This is a current GA, and the article has just had a peer review. A believe that this article is of FA status and I can't find anything wrong with the article myself, although if someone does find something wrong, I'll happily correct it. ISD (talk) 07:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments

  • What makes http://epguides.com/ a reliable site? (granted, the information it's referencing isn't exactly highly controversial)
All the links check out with the link checker tool. It said that two sites had firewalled the Wikipedia servers, but they both worked. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Response to comment: I believe it is a relaible source because it is a site which is not a blog or wiki. It is written by a single individual, using other websites such as TV.com. There is an FAQ if you want to read more about it. ISD (talk) 13:57, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments—A polish of the prose is in order, so you can be proud of it. Not too bad, though.

  • "In it,.."—Stubby opening to the third sentence. What's "it", anyway?
  • "he was caught masturbating by his mother"—I had to read it twice to confirm that his mother wasn't doing the honours herself. Consider re-arranging the word order?
  • won the Primetime Emmy Award for, "Outstanding Individual Achievement in Writing in a Comedy Series"—why the comma after "for"?
  • More confusion about mother: "George is distracted by a female patient in the bed adjacent to his mother's in the hospital, who receives daily sponge baths from a beautiful female nurse." I had to re-read to determine that it was the female patient, not the mother, who enjoyed daily sponge baths.
  • "with only Kramer having a restful sleep"—refers to one night's sleep only ("a"). Is that correct?
  • "adverts"—I'd spell it out. That sentence needs rationalising.
  • Unlike the rest, here the dot is misplaced according to MOS: "one of the series' most infamous." Oh, there are a few others: where the quote starts within a WP sentence, use logical punctuation.
  • Ref 2 et al.: "Jason Alexander. Seinfeld Season 4: The Breakthrough Season [DVD]. Sony Pictures Home Entertainment". Shouldn't the catalogue number of the DVD be included? And the track number? TONY (talk) 14:00, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Response to comments - I've carried out all the corrections that you asked for. ISD (talk) 14:39, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comments
"The Contest" is referenced in an episode of the "Shaq" episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm, in which Larry David and Shaquille O'Neal watch the episode together.[24] It also appears in the episode "Jungle Love" in the animated sitcom Family Guy. In it, Peter Griffin pays the villagers of a South American tribe to re-enact the episode. The same scene also references a different episode, "The Stall".
  • Catch my drift?
DVD Verdict gave the episode an A+ grade rating.[21] James Plath from DVD Town said that, "Estelle Harris, as George's mother, is hilarious".[22] The entrance where Kramer slams his $100 on Jerry's kitchen counter is considered one of the most famous Kramer entrances. Appropriately, it was the character's 100th entrance.[9] Donna Dorsett from audaud.com commented on the refusal to use the word "Masturbation", saying that, "If the word had been used, even once, the show would not have been nearly as hilarious. The episode was totally inoffensive".
  • Are DVD Verdict and DVD Town reliable? Why?
  • Who considers it one of the most famous entrances? Cite?
  • Why is audad.com notable?
"The episode is considered by most reviewers...himself. The part was performed by an unnamed actor.
  • He also said that "The Contest" episode, "one of the series' most infamous". - that's not a sentence.
  • unnamed or uncredited? Merge the last three sentences into one.
  • Again, why is tvdvdreviews.com reliable? Interchange the Donna Dorset and JFK jr sentences so that there is more validity to your "most reviewers as a success for being able to cover a controversial subject in an inoffensive manner" assertion.
Each of those episodes in the side template should be in quotations.
indopug (talk) 15:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Response to Comments: I have tried to carry out the changes you asked for. DVD Verdict, DVD Town, audad.com and tvdvdreviews.com would appear to be reliable according to what it says in WP:RS and Wikipedia:Reliable source examples. ISD (talk) 16:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
DVD Verdict doesn't even bother to explain why the episode is so good. It just grades it A+. Could you remove that whole sentence seeing as it doesn't much anyway? Could you quote from WP:RS, the statements that back these sites' reliability? I mean they don't even seem notable enough to have their own Wikipedia articles. indopug (talk) 05:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I've removed DVD Verdict. According to "Reliable source examples", it says under "Popular culture and ficiton" that, "Personal websites, wikis, and posts on bulletin boards, Usenet and blogs should still not be used as secondary sources." DVD Town, audaud.com and tvdvdreviews.com are none of these. It also says that, "When a substantial body of material is available the best material available is acceptable, especially when comments on its reliability are included." ISD (talk) 07:27, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comments
    • "One euphemism used in the episode, "master of my domain", became a catchphrase for the series, although it is not always used to refer to masturbation." Do you mean "for the series" only or in popular culture?
    • "noteworthy thing" Yuck.
    • "the word "Masturbation"" What's the purpose of capitalizing this everywhere? BuddingJournalist 23:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
      • Response to comments - I've carried the changes you asked for. ISD (talk) 07:27, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose based on the prose.
  • The article needs a good copyedit. Here are examples from the Production section: Watch for pronoun antecedent confusion (second sentence) and be sure to differentiate between Seinfeld the show and Seinfeld the man. Throughout the article, sentences within a paragraph do not flow very well together. Overuse of the word "probably".
  • " However, most advertisers did not broadcast adverts during the show because the series did not have good ratings at the time" -> does this mean "regular advertisers" (companies that regularly bought time on those show) or "any advertisers"?

Karanacs (talk) 15:38, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Oppose, the article needs a large copyedit. Ask the LOCE Sceptre (talk) 16:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
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