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[edit] Star Wars

I have nominated this article because the Star Wars article has been listed as a good article for meeting the criteria AND because it's time for this influential science fantasy saga to become a featured article. This article covers everything about the Star Wars universe, from the movies to the comics, to the games to the books. This article has had 1 previous nomination last year, but since then this article has gone through extensive revision, copyediting and improved writing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Batazer (talk • contribs) .

Object Does not fulfill criteria of brilliant prose. Too much weasel wording throughout such as It is also often argued and It is also thought by whom? Also lacks references. --Bob 20:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Object

  • Need a reference for things like estimated to be $20 billion
  • Remove both dot points/paragraphs about Revelations/TROOPS, the link to the cat at the top is enough
  • Cultural influence is poor - Cultural influence of Star Wars needs to be created...
  • Need fair-use rationales on all images..especilly since the John Williams/young George Lucas are dubious... Cvene64 22:56, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Oject per Cvene64. Computerjoe's talk 07:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Comment I don't like how you have articles devided into the orginial and prequel trilogies. It's supposed to be one saga, one story. There should be one article titled Star Wars episodes. Tobyk777 07:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Object. The references section is not very long, and there are no links between the references and the facts they are supposed to be supporting. For example, let's take three facts at random and see whether the article allows us to trace them to a published source meeting WP:RS.
1. "An example of the space opera genre, the Star Wars story employs archetypal motifs common to both modern science fiction and ancient mythology, as well as the romantic music motifs of those genres." Not only is this not referenced at all... I have no idea what it means. What are the "romantic music motifs" of ancient mythology? Does The Odyssey have musical motifs? Presumably, they were whatever Homer played on his lyre, but I don't think John Williams or anyone else knows what they were. (Is "romantic music motifs... of ancient mythology" a way of saying that John Williams uses a musical vocabulary reminiscent of Strauss and Wagner? Then why not say so?) In any case, this statement is an opinion, so, whose opinion is it and what's the published source for it?
2. "Lucas acknowledges that the plot and characters in the 1958 Japanese film The Hidden Fortress, directed by Akira Kurosawa, were a major inspiration." OK, what's the source for that? It mentions an interview on a DVD. OK, good, let's at least have a citation giving the ASIN for the DVD, the title of the interview, and the approximate number of minutes into the interview where he says this. I've argued that this should count as a source. Others disagree and feel that DVD commentaries do not meet the criteria for WP:CITE or WP:RS, but such a citation would be better than nothing. This entire section on influences is innocent of source citations and rife with weasel wording and unattributed opinions: "It is also thought that the setting for the Star Wars universe came from Isaac Asimov's Foundation Trilogy..." Thought by whom? "some Dune devotees consider Star Wars little more than a campy film adaptation of Herbert's work." Which devotes and where did they publish these opinions? "Some comic book fans have also drawn parallels between Star Wars and Jack Kirby’s epic Fourth World series..." Which fans? Where?
3. "Other sources, including publicly available draft scripts of Star Wars, show that Lucas had an incomplete and quickly-changing conception of the Star Wars story up until the release of the first film in 1977." Great! But, uh, where are those "publicly available" (i.e. "published") draft scripts? Why aren't they cited? Do they meet the standard of "published" in the sense of WP:V? If not, are there good published sources that can be cited in support of this statement?
Dpbsmith (talk) 22:03, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Object per the objections raised above. The only real contribution I can make is about the link with Asimov's Foundation series. See here for speculation that lightsabers derive from the force-field penknives of Foundation; here and the references therein for Lucas's lifting the "Galactic Empire" from Asimov; and I. Asimov and Yours, Isaac Asimov for the writer's own thoughts on the matter. Lots of people say that Coruscant was originally named Jhantor, which would make perfectly clear the fact that it is a rip-off of Asimov's Trantor. Unfortunately, the first couple pages of Google hits on this return only Wikipedia mirrors.
Ah, when scholarship becomes incest. . . . Anville 15:11, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support
  1. Pece Kocovski 09:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment: This articel is well written, and has spelling and grammer correct, what more can you ask for?