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[edit] Sasha (DJ)

Seems to meet all Featured Article criteria. Currently at Good Article status and is stable and well referenced. Has undergone peer review, GA review and such (see talk page for links). Relevant, pretty pictures and relevant bluelinks aplenty! Well formatted, NPOV, all that good stuff. This is a "self-nom", so to speak, as I've put in a good deal of work to this one and a bunch of related articles. Thanks for feedback, comments, etc... Wickethewok 21:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment good article. Ran the auto peer review script and left the results on the articles talk page. The articles title is 'Alexander Coe' and his name is presented as Alexander "Sasha" Coe which is easly skimmed over, but the whole article refers to him as "sasha". Maybe it could follow the way Madonna (entertainer) does it and say "better known as ...". With these few fixes I will change to support. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 03:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
FYI: WP:AWB stats: 4276 words, 289 wikilinks, 6 images, 7 categories. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 03:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Support I can't see much left to fix. Not sure why there aren't more supports. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 06:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I've fixed a bunch of the stuff listed. There were a couple of the generated suggestions I couldn't find what generated them (date linking and footnotes). Wickethewok 04:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Object Prose. The article has a lot of NME style jargon/slang - could it be re-written encyclopedically so that someone over 40 can understand it? eg.
  1. Spinning acid house.
  2. and the two created mix albums together (what are mix albums?)
  3. helped spread progressive trance and house in the 1990s (spread the popularity of progressive trance and house?)
  4. gig (performance)
  5. Later in 2002, Sasha began collaborations with big beat artist Junkie XL, whose work he heavily influenced Junkie XL's work - ?
  6. .[22]. - remove second full stop.
  7. mix album and production record - both terms need definition or wikilinking (as above)
  8. Sasha lives New York City with a personal studio in Florida (Sasha lives in New York City?)

This is a sample - please have another really good go through the article so that someone unconnected with the subject can understand it. --Mcginnly | Natter 11:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

  • I fixed the above stuff (about half of that stuff above was from my small fixes last night! 0_o). Anyways, I'm taking another couple runs through the article to find any words that wouldn't be obvious to people who don't know electronic music. Wickethewok 13:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Sorry guys it's still got problems - Sasha has been one of the most consistently popular among dance music fans, as he has been voted into the top five DJs in the world by readers of DJMag every year since 1997, including finishing #1 in 2000 and #2 only to partner John Digweed in 2001. Also the preceding paragraph or so refers to how he 'connects to the dance floor' (with his feet? - if it's a quote then fine, put it into quotation marks, if not - reword). --Mcginnly | Natter 13:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I split that sentence into two separate ones to keep it from being so long and awkward. For the second thing, I changed it to the original quote. Wickethewok 13:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
The prose is still far from compelling - Starting out in the late 1980s playing acid house, he rose as a central figure in the popularization of electronic dance music.
After meeting John Digweed, Sasha toured internationally with Digweed and created a series of mix albums (repetition of Digweed)
There is no mention of his personal life at all - where does he live? does he have a partner? kids?--Mcginnly | Natter 11:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
  • That info is at the end of the "Post Digweed" section - he is married, currently lives in NYC, and doesn't have kids. I would like to be able to get more info about his personal life though. Wickethewok 14:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I think the article name needs to be reconsidered. "Sasha" is very famous in electronic music circles. "Alexander Coe" I have never heard of. --kingboyk 14:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Would "Sasha (DJ)" be more appropriate? Or maybe "Sasha (disc jockey)" - should the abbreviation be used? Either of these would be more consistent with examples such as Ravedave's Madonna example. Wickethewok 14:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I would think Sasha (DJ) or Sasha (musician). Which is more accurate? --kingboyk 14:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Hmmm, I think "musician" would be debateable. Are DJs musicians? I think "Sasha (DJ)" would be best. Wickethewok 14:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Done. --kingboyk 16:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I changed the infobox type per your suggestion. Tonight I will try to figure out some good music samples to add. Wickethewok 18:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Aye, I've looked at it and picked out a few tracks to sample. I'm planning to add 6-8 music samples tonight. Thanks for fixing up the infobox as well. Wickethewok 19:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • No please, add only relevant tracks, the ones you find they offer a lot to the understanding of the article and the style of the DJ. Don't fill the page with unnecessary samples. 2-3 is often enough. I recommend you to Read the guideline. CG 20:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I did read the guidelines and it says nothing regarding the number of samples, other than it shouldn't interfere with the quality of the article. Looking at a bunch of musical artist FAs I see quite a spread of number of samples ranging from none to double digits. Anyways, I'll keep it to a few of the most important tracks/those that typify the styles Sasha has gone through. How about four? I was thinking of Sasha's remix of Gus Gus - Purple (1997), Xpander (1999), Junkie XL and Sasha - Breezer (2002), and Felix Da Housecat - Watching Cars Go By (Sasha Remix) (2004). I think these would adequately portray the various genres/time periods. The additional samples I was thinking of before would've been from earlier in his career, and are probably less relevant to his notoriety. Wickethewok 20:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm not arguing about the number of samples. You can put 10 if they are relevant. What I'm saying is that editors, especillay fans of the artist spend often fill the page with samples of every work mentioned. As for me, music samples should be carefully chosen so they are encyclopedic, helping the reader to understand the article, the style of the article or the evolution of his music, and fulfilling fair use criteria. CG 20:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • No worries, I understand quite well that more isn't always better. I've seen more than enough bad video game articles to know that. Btw, I think I should point out that I'm trying to use tracks that Sasha helped create, rather than just tracks he played, as I think they're both more relevant and easier to claim fair-use for. I plan on digging through my CDs later tonight. Cheers! Wickethewok 20:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Again, if you read the guideline, it says that it's preferable that samples are included in boxes and not inlined with text. See Selena for an example. CG 08:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
  • OK - I added in four boxed samples into the article. Any additional suggestions/comments/feedback regarding the samples or anything else? Wickethewok 21:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

This article still needs a thorough going over by someone (preferably who doesn't listen to sasha's music):-

  • Sasha described the release of the album as "received with a lot of head scratching" due to the styles of music of Airdrawndagger being generally more laid back and not featuring the heavier "club sound" of his previous mix albums and productions. (non punctuation so too long - laid back=relaxed?
  • With regards to mix albums, Sasha states that going in he only has a vague idea of the tracklist for the album. (going in)
  • Over his next mix albums, Sasha popularized progressive trance by artists such as
  • #2 to only partner John Digweed in 2001 (what's the only doing here?)

--Mcginnly | Natter 14:41, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks for pointing out those sentences - the prose was quite awkward. I went ahead and fixed those. As Mcginnly says above, the articles still needs a thorough going-over by someone who knows very little about Sasha/electronic music in general. Wickethewok 15:00, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Object -- two images in this article are tagged with {{promotional}} without any indication that they are from a press kit and lack authorship and licensing information. We have a freely licensed image of the subject to replace one of them. Jkelly 20:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Another user has added in a different picture for first picture from a specific press kit. I don't think there are any freely licensed images where you can clearly see Sasha's face. Alternatively, we could replace the top picture with the clearly promotional photo featured [here http://www.redlightmanagement.com/artists/sasha/] <-- This one is undoubtably promotional as the management company has included a large, hi-quality image especially for download. I'm currently trying to track down either some copyright-free or promotional photos from the Delta Heavy Tour to use as a photo of Sasha & Digweed. Wickethewok 04:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Object There's no section discussing the critical reaction from music critics towards Sasha's music, utilized by other artist FA's. LuciferMorgan 08:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Out of the music artist FAs I've surveyed randomly, none of them have a separate section for criticisms. Most of them seem to integrate critics remarks into the articles. Could you provide an example of what you speak? Thanks! Wickethewok 04:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Regarding images: I have obtained some awesome Sasha photos from the kind public relations people over at Ableton.com. I am going to integrate them once a license is decided on. Wickethewok 18:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)