Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mysore

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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 16:41, 17 December 2007.

[edit] Mysore

Mysore is the second largest city in the state of Karnataka, India. It has been the capital of the Kingdom of Mysore for centuries and the city has a rich culture and heritage. I have been working on this article for quite some time now and the article has also undergone a peer-review. I have ensured that the article is informative, well-sourced and has a good set of images. I feel that the article is good enough to be a featured article and hence I have nominated it. Please review the article and provide your comments on the same. Thanks -- ¿Amar៛Talk to me/My edits 15:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment:
Please note something about the difference between the common name (Mysore) and the "official" name (Mysuru). Is this along the same lines as Calcutta being renamed Kolkata? If so, it should be mentioned somewhere, with a link to the article about Indian city name changes. Also, the recording sounds like it's saying "Mysore" and not "Mysuru", yet it is within the parentheses for the Kannada version of the name; is this a recording of the original Kannada (which I would guess would sound more like "Mysuru"), or of the name Mysore? --Golbez (talk) 00:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Y Done. Thanks for your comments. The name change to Mysuru has been ratified by the Government of India but the formalities are yet to be completed. I have made the necessary changes to reflect this in the article, and have also provided a citation. The audio pronunciation is Mysore which is in English. I have moved the link to the audio file to outside the parenthesis. -- ¿Amar៛Talk to me/My edits 02:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment:
  • A paragraph (no more than a few lines) describing the history of Mysore prior to Mysore Kingdom would be useful. We know that Mysore came under successive imperial dynasties that ruled from Karnataka and for a while under the Cholas.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Dinesh, from what I have read about the history of Mysore city, the city came into a prominent existence only after the Mahishuru Fort was constructed in 1524 by Chamaraja Wodeyar III. Before this event, the region was known as Puragere. Though the region in general was ruled by different dynasties prior to 16th century, we cannot assume that in the context of the Mysore city. History related to Cholas and others are more relevant in an article like Mysore kingdom since there we are talking of a bigger region. Since this article is on a city, I have included only that part of history, that is clearly linked to Mysore city. Thanks -- ¿Amar៛Talk to me/My edits 10:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Dk Reply fair enough.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 14:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Is this line really needed in the History section?
The city has remained largely peaceful, except for occasional riots related to the Kaveri river water dispute. Mysore has been in the news in recent history for reasons like the fire at Premier Studios that claimed the lives of many people, the sudden deaths of many animals at the Mysore Zoo and the National Anthem controversy that happened on the campus at Infosys. Fires, deaths of animals are all to common, the anthem issue is a political issue. Perhaps no need to mention at all.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 13:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Reply: That line was added as a result of a "peer review" comment which indicated to add some important notable events that happened in Mysore post-independence. All the events mentioned got extensive coverage in national media because of which they have been added with appropriate citations as well. Thanks -- ¿Amar៛Talk to me/My edits 11:43, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Dk Reply Okay. Thats fine then. Will look into the article again later.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 13:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Can you give reference of the following line The city has had an underground drainage system since 1904. in the geography section. Amartyabag TALK2ME 11:56, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Y Done. The citation has been added. Page 56 of the pdf citation talks of this.
  • For the pdf files, page number need to be shown along with the citation, you can use {{rp|p.56}} tag along with the citation. U can take rererence of Kaziranga National Park for exact usage. Amartyabag TALK2ME 08:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Support - well referenced meets criteria, in my opinion. Just as well I read the rest of the candidacy, otherwise I would have thought it was an article about the amalgamation of MySpace and "bore". :) — Rudget Contributions 19:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Support Very nice. I think I'll support even if you don't fix the below issues, but it would, of course, be nice if...
  • Mysore Pak - our article is Mysore pak - are you sure the P, or even the M, need(s) to be capitalized?
  • Reply: Mysore Pak in totality is a noun and hence deserves the capitalisation on the individual words.
  • Mysore silk saree - we don't really have an article on that. Should we? In other words, if it's important enough to be in the lead of an article about a major city with hundreds of years of history, it seems like it should be an important item, no? I notice the current Maharajah of Mysore is a noted designer of them...
  • Reply: I have been thinking of writing an article on that and will do so in the near future. But I presume that the non-existence of an article on Mysore silk saree has no bearing on the quality of the Mysore article. :)
  • The Mysore palace, Mahisha demon, Karanji lake, Infosys building and possibly other images don't have a description on their pages on Commons. That's not really a fault of this article per se, but since we have a description here, can we at least copy it there? That will make these images more usable in other Wikipedias.
  • Y Done. I have checked all the images in the article and have added description where-ever it was missing.
  • The Government of Karnataka has submitted a proposal to change the English name of the city to Mysuru. - when submitted?
  • Y Done. Modified the sentence to incorporate the date.
  • region where the Mysore city stands ; demolished much of the Mysore town; In recent years, the information technology companies - I'd remove "the" in these cases. But it's a minor point.
  • The administration was looked after by Diwan Purnaiah - disambiguate the link from Diwan, and could we use an article on Purnaiah?
  • Y Done. Diwan Purnaiah certainly deserves his own article, which should hopefully be up in due course.
  • As of 2001, 39.9% of the total land area in the city was occupied by residences... - that list only adds up to 70% or so. What's the other 30%?
  • Y Done. I have expanded the sentence to include the rest.
  • The industrial sector in the city experienced some setbacks... - is unemployment high, low, average for Karnataka, for India? Have a % number?
  • Reply - As per the data collected by the Indian census of 2001, employment is measured in terms of percentage of working class amongst the population. The article mentions the percentage of population in Mysore who belong to the working class and now I have added a comparison of that data with other urban areas in Karnataka -- ¿Amar៛Talk to me/My edits 06:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

--AnonEMouse (squeak) 16:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, your responsiveness is appreciated! --AnonEMouse (squeak) 15:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Support- Meets the criteria. Surely my last edit on Wikipedia.KnowledgeHegemony 16:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: Several sentences in the "Demographics" section begin with numbers; can those sentences be recast to avoid starting sentences with a number (see WP:MOSNUM)? I saw at least one instance of the use of "current" terminology: "Today, the major industries ... " Things like "today", "currently" "recently" should be avoided, as they become dated. If redundant, they can be dropped, or if clarification is needed, "as of date" can be added. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Still throughout; when using words like "Recently" "in recent years", the time frame should be defined. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:07, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
      • Per WP:MOSNUM#Precise language, can all occurrences of words like recent, recently and currently be dealt with? Example: While tourism is the major industry in Mysore, the growth of information technology related industry in recent years has resulted in the city emerging as the second largest software exporter in the state of Karnataka, next to Bangalore. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Support Well written, though there is room for more copy edits. An interesting article and perhaps one of the few related to "cultural" cities from India. Can be a good example to more such articles on India's ancient historical cities.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, if there really is room for more copy edits, please either make them or point them out so others can. Featured Articles are supposed to be as good as we can make them. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 16:35, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Dk Reply There is always some room for copy edits in every FA. I will continue to cpedit in the coming days. Also, every reviewer has his own style.thanksDineshkannambadi (talk) 16:49, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Strong Support - Well written, well sourced, and comprehensive. Seems to be organized in the way most other Indian city FAs, and is equipped with very good and appropriate images. Meets FA criteria. Good job! - KNM Talk 16:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.