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[edit] Montsalvat

Montsalvat is an artists colony established in 1934 near Melbourne, Australia. It is one of the most noteworthy and well known artist colonies in Australia, and there are over a dozen artists of varying media still residing and practicing there. Exhibitions and performances of all sizes and styles, as well as weddings and receptions are held at Montsalvat today. It is perhaps most notable for it's unique style of buildings constructed of many different materials from all around Victoria.

Self-nomination: I believe this article has what it takes to reach featured article status. It has been in peer review for a while, and I took every suggestion seriously and made some major changes ad alterations. Peer review didn't seem to attract the audience I was hoping for, but what audience it did attract, their info and advice was very helpfull and greatly welcomed. If it is suggested I improve some of the pictures, I can with some time. I understand my grammar and spelling isnt as good as most, so a basic read through would be welcomed to get a neutral opinion and to an outside source to check spelling etc. Any other suggestions would be greatly apreciated and warmly welcomed, taken seriously and acted upon in a professional manner. Nick carson 05:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

• Object. I'm not sure that this article is comprehensive, it seems like it could have more references and longer sections. RyanGerbil10 05:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

It could diffinatly have more references but not hat much information exists out there about it in referencable form so I wish I could add in more but I can't. Fortunatly though, the references I do have are of a very high quality and come straight from the source itself. And don't forget my first hand expirience, just because I started writing the article dosent mean the information I can contribute should be discarded. I kept the sections a bit shorter as I didn't want the reader to be too bored with things, I offered further reading and external links if you want more information and pictures. By the way your a very fast reader ;) Nick carson 05:53, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose. Inconsistant ond often poor style of referencing. Please fix inline citations as well. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 09:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I read the articles on referenceing and citing sources, I also looked at other FA candidates and articles in peer review, and I got the general impression that there are multiple methods of referencing, some articles even employ methods that are unique to that particular article. So I tried to combine everything I've seen and read and cite my references in as simple a way as possible, if there are better ways or ways I am yet to figure out how to do then I would be more than welcome of them to be incorporated into this article.Nick carson 10:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The referencing is now fixed, but I am not sure if such a small article (~13kb) can be comprehensive. If this is all what is relevant (most likely because its about a colony only and not a town or city) and the editors find it complete, I suggest that it be nominated for good article instead. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 19:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose. The article looks great, but it does have only two sources. I've made them into "cite" style, but that's just polishing a blemish, really. I am quite certain that there exist unbiased sources for this, given it's place in an extensivly documented period of australian art. - brenneman ^{L} 11:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Object - I'm just uncomfortable with the use of only two sources. If those sources aren't 100% completely reliable and without bias, that could look bad on this article. FAs are supposed to be our -best- foot forward. Too much a risk. Fieari 19:19, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Obejct—Criterion 2a. Grammatical errors and redundancies throughout. For example, in the lead, what are "richly established gardens"? "Melbourne and it's surrounds"—rather exposed boo-boo at the top. Why square metres vs acres (should be hectares vs acres). "Visitors can pay a small fee to walk throughout its historical gardens, artists houses/workshops and explore the surrounding buildings." Oh dear, apostrophe again; remove "can"; "through", not "throughout"; insert "to" before "explore". "It's grounds and buildings today are used"—learn about apostrophes, please; remove "today". Tony 14:11, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Well excuse me for not getting A+'s throughout english, for having poor spelling and grammar. I wont remove today because it refers to the present day not an ambiguous point in time. I should have added a comma in like this "It's grounds and buildings today, are used..." and yes there are further words after the word "used", please cite examples correctly. Richly established gardens are gardens that are fully established, can't understand my phrasing then change it to "Fully established gardens" or "totally established gardens" or any other way that would be better understood. Thankyou for your comments, if you were 100% positive of your objections you can of course change them yourself at any time. I might also add that I did make it clear that this article needed somone with better english skills than mine to do a proper spell/gramatical check. Nick carson 06:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)