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[edit] Megatokyo

Re-Nomination. I think everything covered in the previous nomination has been taken care of, particularly added content to the plot section and revision of the criticism. Nifboy 06:13, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Support. Pamri • Talk 06:36, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Object. Looks promising, but it's still very much a fan guide. The sections "Availability", "The departure of Rodney Caston", "Forums" and "Megagear" serve little or no encyclopedic function and need to to be merged into more appropriate sections. The section "Characters" is far too short; super-brief summaries like these are not compensated by large sub-articles. / Peter Isotalo 11:07, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
We (or someone) resized the Characters section to a smaller one, now you told us to expand it? UNBELIVEABLE! Just kidding, I was wonder what we can add to the characters section. I do not know what to merge MegaGear and Forums with (MegaGear is a seperate site and the forum is part of Megatokyo), and the sections "Availability" I believe can be expand. The "Departure of Rodney Caston" is pretty improtant, so I don't know how to change/merge with. Thanks for your feedback.--Kiba 20:58, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
At least make "The Departure of Rodey Caston a sub-section of something. An entire main section on just this is too crufty. As for the characters, first rule is: don't make a list. It needs to be an easily read text summary of the most important characters. This means you only have to briefly mention the most important characters and describe their general characteristics. "Forums" and Megagear" are both fan-related subjects. Fan activities are always secondary to descriptions of the actual object of fandom and should be limited, or you'll find yourself stuck in yet more cruft. / Peter Isotalo 09:33, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
The fourth paragraph of the plot section covers nearly all the major characters (Piro and Largo are covered in the first). The Characters section is only still there to highlight the sub-article, I think. Nifboy 05:10, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Then I suggest removing it altogether. The sub-article can be linked at the end. I'm eagerly expecting some sort of change in all the fancruft-sections. It's still written partially like a promotion. Just look at the beginning of the section "Availability":
All strips are available free of charge from Megatokyo.com or can be purchased in book form, which is published by Dark Horse Comics. As of April 3rd 2005, three volumes are available for purchase. At one point Studio Ironcat published a book compilation of strips that are now included in Volume One.
Stuff like this can be covered in the lead. It doesn't need a separate section with super-detailed publising info.
Peter Isotalo 13:23, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Support. Very good article on an interesting subject.--Alabamaboy 23:34, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Support Zach (Sound Off) 21:22, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Object I'd like to see this placed in some sort of artisic context. I'm told that it's written and drawn in manga style and then further down Megatokyo has evolved into a far more manga-influenced webcomic. Is it? What sort of manga? It's like saying 'written and drawn in comic style' - really doesn't narrow it down a lot. I mean presumably, if it's so heavily based on manga as to warrent a comment in the first sentence and then again further down, some one could mention some *titles* that they think have influenced it? Or the creator will have commented on some of his inspirations? Or at least what kinda manga, or some authors, if specifics can't be managed? To me, the overall style and especially the rendering seems much more firmly rooted in the 'webcomic genre' - at the minute the only cross reference is to PvP, and that's an aside rather than an attempt to locate the subject within its field. Finally, I think the head needs rewriting. It's not any kind of summary of the article, being mostly history lawyering, and completely fails to mention what the comic is about. Oh, and the article doesn't link Tokyo, which I think is funny. --zippedmartin 18:03, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
    • On "Artistic Context": Titles wouldn't help. Just to give an example, Ping is constantly considered a ripoff of Chii of Chobits, but Fred hadn't even heard of Chobits when he introduced Ping. The archetype is just that prominent in all of anime/manga (Oh, and Tokyo is linked in the very first sentence of the plot section). Nifboy 19:43, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
I agree with Nifboy on this issue. If I can see what Megatokyo is really about.... It a pardoy webcomic mixed with comedy and romance. "Manga styles" is subjective but the author defintely have more infulence from japanese comic and anime rather than webcomic.--Kiba 20:01, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
What archetype? I can assue you that clamp-style artwork is not common to all anime/manga. To make myself clear here:
  • Fix the head. Two short paragraphs followed by a spoiler warning (aka. stop-reading-now sign) isn't good enough, see Wikipedia:Lead section.
  • Give some, any, room to discussion of the visual style, even if you don't want to be comparative. It's ridiculous to have an article about a comic that only concerns itself with plot elements, bar a paragraph in the disjointed 'Criticism and praise' section.
Nice and actionable? --zippedmartin 22:07, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Support. Ruennsheng 09:00, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Object: ref/notes need fixing. Otherwise, this is very good! - 203.134.166.99 03:21, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Um...what wrong with it?--Kiba 22:08, 30 September 2005 (UTC)