Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Lee Smith (baseball)

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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 04:16, 23 October 2007.

[edit] Lee Smith (baseball)

I'm nominating this article for featured article because I think it meets the featured article criteria. Nishkid64 (talk) 07:26, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

  • What is "kmph"?
    • Kilometres per hour. I was not sure if that needed to be added as per the Manual of Style's guideline regarding US and metric designations. Nishkid64 (talk) 21:21, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "casted" not a word
  • "closing duties were shared by Smith, Willie Hernández and Bill Campbell" "Smith, Willie Hernández and Bill Campbell shared closing duties" is better.
  • A lot of stuff about the 1984 season that has nothing to do with Smith
    • Removed a good bit of detail. See [1]. Nishkid64 (talk) 21:29, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "to the New York Mets in shocking fashion" POV
  • Ref #10 link 3 times in the same paragraph
    • I usually don't follow the convention of placing my references at the end of a paragraph. Is there any particular problem with placing the same ref 3 times in a single paragraph? Nishkid64 (talk) 21:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
      • I removed the middle reference. Nishkid64 (talk) 21:58, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "Smith saved 234 games by the end of 1989, Reardon had 266" I think a word would be better than a comma here.
  • "Lee Smith's single season National League record for saves was threatened after only a year – by Smith himself." "Smith threatened his own single season National League record for saves after only a year." is better and is threatened really the best word to use?
  • "record which" needs a comma
    • Done. See the diff above. Nishkid64 (talk) 21:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "he was tied by John Wetteland in June 1996 and Chad Cordero" "John Wetteland and Chad Cordero tied him in June 1996" is better
    • Sentence reads: "...until he was tied by John Wetteland in June 1996 and Chad Cordero in June 2005." I have reworded it to "...until John Wettleland and Chad Cordero tied him in June 1996 and June 2005, respectively." Nishkid64 (talk) 21:56, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "he started 1995 even better." POV
  • Is career-worsts a word?
    • It's often used in sports writing. "Career-low" would not make sense because a higher ERA is worse. It would have to be career-high, but that would not make any sense. Nishkid64 (talk) 21:56, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "much speculation" "a lot of speculation" is better
  • ", if the candidate less than 5%, that would end eligibility" "the candidate receiving less than 5% would end eligibility" is better
    • Reworded to "However, if the candidate receives less than 5%, he would no longer be eligible for future Hall of Fame balloting consideration." [4] Nishkid64 (talk) 21:56, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "put Boston in an 0-2 series deficit" this sounds odd, I don't think they were put anywhere "ment they had" or "were down 0-2" would be better.
    • Reworded to "Boston had a 0-2 series deficit going to Oakland." Nishkid64 (talk) 21:56, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Buc 21:10, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Why do we only have his career totals for stats and not year by year numbers? Buc 22:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
    • People can just go to one of the many baseball statistics sites linked on the page. Personally, I don't support the inclusion of seasonly statistics to baseball player pages (I used to, but that was more than a year ago) because people tend to go overboard with the coloring and it impedes on the readability of the article. I think our career statistics section is fine, though. It's simple, and I don't think anyone would have a problem with that. Nishkid64 (talk) 23:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak support well written, and has a lot of reliable references. It could use one or two more images though. -- JA10 Talk • Contribs 00:58, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Was quite the struggle to find the one image!  :) —Wknight94 (talk) 01:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Oh, lol I see. -- JA10 Talk • Contribs 01:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
        • Yes, we waited over a year to obtain an image of Smith! Finally, Wknight94 found one on Flickr. :) Nishkid64 (talk) 16:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Support, was a great article to read, and I see no problems with it. About time another baseball article gets to FA status :) Wizardman 22:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Conditional Support
    • "In 1995, Smith registered a save in every appearance from April 28 through all of May and into June" s/b In 1995, Smith registered a save in every appearance from April 28 until June XX".
      • Two sentences later, I said the streak ended on June 28. In the previous sentence, I said Lee Smith said a record for most consecutive saves. It would seem repetitive if I mentioned April 28 to June 28, since I mention it later on. Nishkid64 (talk) 21:44, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
        • This means that his stread went from April 28 to some date before June 28 when he made his last successful save. This is the date I want.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:52, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
          • Date added, but I still don't think it's really necessary (since it's explained a few sentences later). Nishkid64 (talk) 22:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
            • You are missing my point lets suppose his last successful save was June 24th. Then, it should say Smith registered a save in every appearance from April 28 to June 24. Then it should later explain that he blew the save on the 28th as it does. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that is a better way to explain that. In fact, there would then be a game recap saying on the 24th he saved his 19th consecutive save.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 03:52, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
              • Ah okay, I fixed it now. Thanks, Tony. Nishkid64 (talk) 05:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
                • I was just guessing on the date. The date you added does not match the gamelog in the reference. Why don't you get the actual game and a box score and a recap for a ref?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 00:12, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
                  • Fixed the date. Is that all? Nishkid64 (talk) 00:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
                    • What do you think about getting a game recap or box score of the 19th save?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 13:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
                      • I couldn't find a game recap, but the box score is at Baseball-Reference. It would just say he saved his 19th game. There's no mention that it was his 19th consecutive save. What about this? This shows that in 19 games, he had 19 saves. Nishkid64 (talk) 17:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Can you get game box scores for June 11 and June 28 1995--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
      • I have added the gamelog for June 28, 1995, but not for June 11. Adding the gamelog would confirm that he made a save on that date, but it does not prove that he had 16 consecutive saves. However, the CNN link does indicate that. Nishkid64 (talk) 21:44, 20 October 2007 (UTC)YesY--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:52, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
        • BTW, the BOX+PBP links at the left of this link will give box scores for every game Smith pitched in 1995. —Wknight94 (talk) 04:11, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Support Secret sup 22:54, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.