Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Joking Apart/archive1

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The article was not promoted 00:24, 24 April 2008.

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[edit] Joking Apart

Self-nomination. The article appears to satisfy the criteria: it's comprehensive, stable, well referenced, neutral, etc. I'd expect any 'fixes needed' to be minor. It has been a GA for nearly a year and has been considerably expanded and improved since then, partially as a result of the GA sweep process.

If you are blessed with copy-editing skills, I would really appreciate it if you could just correct any issues. I've spent hours on this article singlehandedly (with thanks to the two GA reviewers) and it's frustrating to get 'oppose' votes because of a couple of stray commas. I listed it at the LOCE a few weeks ago, but there's no sign of it being seen as a GA anytime this century. The JPS^{talk to me} 12:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Comments

• Who is behind http://www.jokingapart.co.uk/main.htm?

All the other links checked out with the link checker. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

• refs 1 and 7 are from the same article, but different URLs. Have now clarified the first.
• The text about Craddock's divorce is credited to his work partner, not a member of his family. In the context of what it supports there are no WP:BLP issues.
• You may be right about the citizen-journalism site; can be easily replaced, but I request opinions of other commentators on FAC first.
• I'm fairly sure the clippings do say where they are from, unless you can point to something I'm missing. As far as I can see, those clippings would meet WP:RS without the link to the site. Although the external page to which you are referring houses some Radio Times clippings, they are not cited in this article. The JPS^{talk to me} 15:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Nope, I was missing the scroll bars, which were hidden in the background. I found them by accident when my cursor rolled over it and suddenly they were there. Odd. But that aside, the fact that we don't have the originals is a bit of a concern. They probably squeak by, but it would be better to find the originals. Annoying that the Telegraph and Express both don't have full archives like the New York Times. I'll mark this one resolved for now. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:34, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

We should not be linking to copyright violations though. BuddingJournalist 00:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Ealdgyth, I've never been a huge fan of those scroll bars. They take a long time and are not entirely disciplined. jokingapart.co.uk is registered to Craig Robins, who is also the founder of Replay and also conducted interviews with the same people for the featurette. In this respect, I think it's reliable. (If we consider a documentary that he has produced and edited as a reliable source, then so should we his website)

A DNS search for kennycraddock.com returns "Julia Robinson". I guess the information is a little trivial anyway... so gone. Yeah, OffTheTelly is a magazine type site. The author of this article, Graham Kibble-White, is an established writer (a lot of results on Amazon.co.uk) so that counts as reliable. The citizen site has now gone, and Replay now has 'publisher' information.

Links to those articles have now gone. The JPS^{talk to me} 11:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hide most of the issues. Left the jokingapart.com one out so other folks can judge it for themselves. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Oppose—1a. Here are examples just from the lead of why the whole text needs a massage.

• "The show is semi-autobiographical, being inspired by"—"Being" in this grammar is clumsy, and in any case needs to be "having been". Why not "...ical; it was inpsired"?
• "Some of the first series"—"Some of the episodes in the first series"
• "Although the show attracted a low audience because of scheduling problems, scored highly on the Appreciation Index and it accrued a loyal fanbase." Um ...
• Caption: "The opening titles. The title is superimposed over a stack of legal documents"—See User:Tony1/Monthly_updates_of_styleguide_and_policy_changes/January 2008 on this.
• "the BAFTA-award winning show"—Another hyphen required. TONY (talk) 11:44, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

  Unhelpful, Tony. If you have the skills could you consider fixing it yourself. The timescale of the LOCE is a joke. I commend your desire for a high standard of English, but your collaboration in fixing issues would be most helpful. The JPS^{talk to me} 17:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

  By the way, fixed the above examples. Attempted to list as a FAC, rather than GA, at LOCE but the process is impenetrable. The JPS^{talk to me} 13:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Support - very comprehensive article which is well referenced and follows the MOS. Due to the relative obscurity of the programme, this is a refreshing candidate for FA. Bob talk 19:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

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