Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jarmann M1884
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[edit] Jarmann M1884
Selfnom. Has gone thru two rounds of peer review (first PR and second PR) - and I think all issues raised then has been addressed, as well as the article significantly expanded in all areas. I believe the article, as it stands now, give a comprehensive overview of the subject; one of the first repeating rifles adopted by any armed force, and also one of the first bolt action rifles to be adopted. I honestly believe this article is FA worthy, but if anyone spots anything needing fixing, I'll be happy to attempt to do so.
- Support On condition that the objection to the lack-of-copyright statement is resolved.--Knucmo2 22:34, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Object.The images Image:Compare 10.15x61R.jpg and Image:Jarmann volley sight.jpg. If, as implied by the lack-of-copyright statement on Image:Swedish Jarmann overview.jpg, there's a wikipedian with access to one of these guns to take pictures of, then there's no reason to use images with a non-free license.The images Image:M28 photo (1930).jpg and Image:M28 ad (1930).jpg are claimed as "either out of copyright or fair use under Norwegian law". Thing is, it's American fair use that matters if they're still under copyright.
- --Carnildo 07:20, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
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- 1. I'll ask the person suppling me with the photos if she can take a picture of the volley sight for us. However, she don't have access to any ammunition for her rifle (it's rendered non-usable for sale without a permit), so in regard to Image:Compare 10.15x61R.jpg no better picture can be taken.
- 2. Having re-read the US law on copyright more carefully, in particular sect 107, I believe that both images can be claimed as fair use under US law as well. I will update the description of the images accordingly.
- WegianWarrior 07:44, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
- The image description pages for the fair use images still need explanations as to why the use is qualified under "fair use". Wikipedia:Image description page#Fair use rationale describes what is needed, and the images at Sunset Boulevard (film) provide an outstanding example of how this can be done. --Carnildo 06:59, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
- Fair use rationale has been added to the images in question. I've also heard back from the source of the two pictures of the M1884 manufactured in Sweden - her rifle is not equiped with a volleysight (s/n lower than 4330), so a public domain photo of the volley sight seems impossible to get at this point. Hopefully the rationale provided is enought - otherwise I will have to remove the pictures from the article, and I do feel they add a lot to it. WegianWarrior 01:18, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
- Looks quite good. I plan to use this article as an example of how to use fair-use images. --Carnildo 06:01, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
- Fair use rationale has been added to the images in question. I've also heard back from the source of the two pictures of the M1884 manufactured in Sweden - her rifle is not equiped with a volleysight (s/n lower than 4330), so a public domain photo of the volley sight seems impossible to get at this point. Hopefully the rationale provided is enought - otherwise I will have to remove the pictures from the article, and I do feel they add a lot to it. WegianWarrior 01:18, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
- The image description pages for the fair use images still need explanations as to why the use is qualified under "fair use". Wikipedia:Image description page#Fair use rationale describes what is needed, and the images at Sunset Boulevard (film) provide an outstanding example of how this can be done. --Carnildo 06:59, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
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- Support. With that last copyedit, looks good. --Carnildo 21:38, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
Mild object. Support (see below)This is an interesting article which I'd support fully if there were more references. Given that the facts in the article must have come from history books or other historic sources, there is no excuse for more of the facts not being documented. If more references are added, I will change my vote to support.--Alabamaboy 02:16, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
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- I thought references meant the sources used when the article was written - and I've listed all of them. I've also spendt quite some time online trying to find more, without luck. Neither has I found any more in my bookshelfs or in the local library. So I cannot provide more references, allthought if anyone else can find anything I'll be happy.WegianWarrior 01:18, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
- If that's what you have, then its okay. What you need to do is put footnotes throughout the article to show where the historical information is coming from. This can be in the style of (Book author's last name, page number) or inline notes.--Alabamaboy 13:08, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
- Something like this? WegianWarrior 07:39, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
- That looks great. Excellent work. I changed my vote to support (see above)--Alabamaboy 13:45, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
- Something like this? WegianWarrior 07:39, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
- If that's what you have, then its okay. What you need to do is put footnotes throughout the article to show where the historical information is coming from. This can be in the style of (Book author's last name, page number) or inline notes.--Alabamaboy 13:08, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
- I thought references meant the sources used when the article was written - and I've listed all of them. I've also spendt quite some time online trying to find more, without luck. Neither has I found any more in my bookshelfs or in the local library. So I cannot provide more references, allthought if anyone else can find anything I'll be happy.WegianWarrior 01:18, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
- Wow! Support - amazing work :-) Ta bu shi da yu 06:56, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
