Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ion Heliade Rădulescu

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 18:00, 19 June 2007.

[edit] Ion Heliade Rădulescu

A great article, which I think would pass the FA criteria. --Eurocopter tigre 16:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

• Object (for now) There are numerous red links and the entire lead section is without a citation. Indoles 20:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment: The lead paragraphs are a concise overview of the rest of the article, and citations are not required. See Raul speak on the matter. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 20:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment: Redlinks do not go against FAC criteria, afaik. Additionally, the lead sections are supposed to be citationless - in any case, all of what is mentioned in the lead section (which, i remind editors, is intended as a summary of the article-proper, not as a part of the actual article) is abundantly referenced in the text. Dahn 20:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Support Well, since those were the only two things I had problems with, my vote is now in support of. Indoles 23:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

• Strong support - thorough, well-written, finely cited and interesting article on a key and (to the world at large) little-known Romanian figure of the 19th century. Endorse without hesitation after reading through it carefully. Biruitorul 22:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
• Object - this is an excellent article, but I have some reservations. For example:

• I have no objection to some red links (Wikipedia is a constant work in progress, after all), but I counted more than forty here and in some cases they are actually needed to have things make sense. Consider this sentence from the Printer and court poet section: "Heliade began a career as a civil servant after the Postelnicie commissioned him to print the Official Bulletin, and later climbed through the official hierarchy, eventually serving as Clucer." What is the "Postelnicie" and what is a "Glucer"? A lot of the biographical redlinks will get filled in in their own time, but it would be extremely helpful to have some of the others glossed at least.
• I don't think it's a prerequisite to have a spoken version of the article to make FA, but it would be nice, especially in an article where so many terms are necessarily in a foreign language. More importantly, there are no pronunciation keys for any of those words. For example, how do you pronounce the gentleman's first name? Matt Deres 02:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment Thank you for your suggestions. I could add short stubs on some of those redlinks - will that, in principle, suffice? Also, since a spoken version is harder to produce, would it be sufficient if we add the IPA version of his name and IPA versions of words such as "Postelnic" in their individual articles? Dahn 10:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The two articles in question were since stubbed, IPA was added to both and to the main article. The redlinks at the present time do not, IMO, pose problems of context for readers (they are names of magazines, personal names, and one event). Dahn 14:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Support. Good job! Matt Deres 16:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

• Strong support. Excellent article—well documented, well constructed, and well written—on a key topic for the understanding of 19th century Romania. Turgidson 01:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
• Strong support. I agree completely with Turgidson and Biruitorul's comments. Atropos 03:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support, very well indeed. --Tone 11:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.