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Self-nomination. After over a year of work on this article (and the peer review), I believe it has been expanded well enough to merit FA status in time for the airport's first anniversary on June 14, 2008. Any comments, of course, are greatly appreciated. Thanks! --Sky Harbor 01:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Oppose Comments

Several major issues exist in this article, including but not limited to:

  • Improperly formatted references. Use {{cite web}} and include title, url, publisher, and accessdate at the very minimum.
  • Structure-wise, the beginning is pretty good, then later on it starts to fall apart and there are many stubby paragraphs.
  • Two dead links
  • "($148 million)" needs to specify US$ because US dollars is not the 'default' currency of Wikipedia.
  • Stuff like "in March of 2007" can just do "March 2007"
  • "nine billion pesos" — I think when talking about money, it's best to stick with numbers even if it's less than 10
  • "the New Iloilo Airport Development Project, or NIADP." — No need to italicize.
  • "The final opening date was finally set for June 13, 2007,[25] with commercial services commencing on June 14, 2007." — "The final opening date was set for June 13, 2007, with commercial services commencing the next day." might be better?
  • There are more prose issues, too, so please do a thorough copyedit of the article.

Gary King (talk) 01:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Points 4-8 have been fixed. The reference format that I used is the same on the other two FAs which I have initiated (the Manila LRT and the Manila MRT), and the vast majority of them are newspaper articles, but I suppose I can fix them as well. I would also need the dead links so I can fix them. --Sky Harbor 02:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
If you have a URL, then at the very least you need an accessdate. Dead links are found by clicking 'External links' in the toolbox in the top-right corner of this FAC. Periodicals need their publishers italicized. A lot of references are using blogspot, and that is a huge no-no; I don't think they are considered reliable. Gary King (talk) 02:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
The Blogspot references in question are actual newspaper articles. Articles leading to the Panay News can only use their respective Blogspot entries because the Panay News website was taken down. One which leads to The Daily Guardian, a major newspaper in the area, does not have a direct link to the article (I will look for it). Yahoo! News articles are never saved for some reason, so I will replace them with their respective archived versions from the Internet Archive, if available, or I will replace them with other articles. References are likewise being fixed. --Sky Harbor 02:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Points 1 and 3 have been fixed. Save for the Explore Iloilo/SSC refs, all other refs have been fixed. I will fix those remaining refs soon. --Sky Harbor 05:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Update: All refs have (finally) been fixed. --Sky Harbor 13:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Some more:
  • "via a three-kilometer long, thirty-meter wide access road linking" — provide conversion to feet
  • "See also" section goes before References
Gary King (talk) 15:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Both done. --Sky Harbor 00:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Comment
  • There are stubby sentences and sections and paragraphs.
  • The references are not well formatted. For instance, the date the source was retrieved are not specified.

--Efe (talk) 02:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Oops! The same concetn by Gary. Anyway, these stuffs will be the concerns of the reviewers, at most. --Efe (talk) 02:46, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I am fixing the refs. Once I finish those, I will move to the paragraphs. Which paragraphs are stubby? --Sky Harbor 02:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
In the terminal subsection. There's a one line para there as well as the following section. ACtually, the first half is balanced in terms of paragraph size. The next half breaks the prose. --Efe (talk) 03:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I'll merge the info about the amenities of the terminal. The last sentence stays because it's about the cargo terminal, not the passenger terminal. --Sky Harbor 03:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Cargo terminal information has been expanded and the terminals subsection has been divided. --Sky Harbor 05:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Per previous comments, I am fixing ALL refs as these comments come in. To prove that I am fixing them, I will save the intial work that I have done. Per the last two points, here's something that I can vouch for:
  • Explore Iloilo is widely regarded among Ilonggos, both resident in Iloilo, Negros Occidental and outside the Philippines even, as one of the most comprehensive websites about the province of Iloilo. Authors from Explore Iloilo, like the one who wrote the article on Iloilo International Airport, have even had their work published in Philippine publications.
  • Some information on IIA was taken from SkyscraperCity. Not everything about the airport is indeed written, so pictures are used to describe that. In fact, once I find suitable sources for that, I intend to remove that source.
Hope that answers your query. --Sky Harbor 03:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Update: SSC ref removed, Explore Iloilo refs retained. --Sky Harbor 13:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm leaving the bit about Explore Iloilo out for other reviewers to decide for themselves. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
If there is consensus that the references are objectionable, then I can replace them. However, it will be hard to search for new references. --Sky Harbor 02:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Oppose, too many prose issues in the lead alone.

  • If you're going to abbreviate miles as mi, kilometres should be abbreviated as km. Consistency! Also, hectare -> ha. I'm not sure if there's an abbreviation for acre. All measurements now use {{Convert}}. Since I presume this template is based on the MoS, there's nothing I can do about it.
  • There should be a non-breaking space between measurement and unit, not a normal one nor a hyphen. Same as the first bullet
  • Short paragraphs should probably be merged. Some sentences have been merged.
  • "Iloilo International Airport (Filipino: Paliparang Pandaigdig ng Iloilo, Hiligaynon: Internasyonal nga Hulugpaan sang Iloilo) (IATA: ILO, ICAO: RPVI) is an international airport in the Philippines designed to serve the general area of Iloilo City, which is the capital city of the province of Iloilo and the regional center of the Western Visayas region as well." Rewritten
  • "The airport is a replacement for the old Mandurriao Airport located in Iloilo City proper and opened its doors to commercial traffic on June 14, 2007." - awkward sentence, it should probably be split into two sentences. Also, is the "old" really necessary? Rewritten
  • "With the closure of Mandurriao Airport, Iloilo International Airport inherited its IATA and ICAO airport codes from the former, as well as its position as the fourth-busiest airport in the Philippines.[1]" Done
  • "The airport is located 19 kilometers (12 mi) northwest of Iloilo City on a 188-hectare (465-acre) site between the municipalities of Cabatuan and Santa Barbara,[2] with the main entrance and airport access road in Santa Barbara and the rest of the airport infrastructure in Cabatuan." - I'm not sure if that comma should be there. Additionally, there's a list with two occurences of "and," which I'm fairly sure is grammatically incorrect. Rewritten. The comma is valid in that location per the conventions of Philippine English, so it was kept.
  • Sometimes you use the leading comma (i.e. "1, 2, and 3") and sometimes not (i.e. "1, 2 and 3"). Be consistent. Fixed
  • "Iloilo International Airport is designated as a secondary international airport by the Air Transportation Office, a body of the Department of Transportation and Communications that is responsible for the operations of not only this airport but also of all other airports in the Philippines except the major international airports." - "airports" is written out in full many times (I can't count); it feels awkward to read it. Perhaps the last occurrence can be changed to "ones" instead. Rewritten

Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 01:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Completed items are struck out and comments are bolded. I also intend to give the article a good copy-edit, which I am doing per section. --Sky Harbor 02:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm afraid I can't quite support the prose, but if the lead is spotless, then that's good, so I withdraw my oppose. Anyways, a word of advice: Generally you shouldn't strike out others' comments. I'm not personally bothered by it, but it's etiquette to let them strike it out or otherwise indicate that it's no longer an issue themselves. Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 02:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I do apologize if I unintentionally sent the wrong message by means of striking out comments for my own convenience. Typing is such hard work! But, of course, thanks so much for the comments. I'll keep the advice in mind. --Sky Harbor 02:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Comment on images

  • Image:Iloilo Airport Exterior.jpg, Image:Iloilo Airport Interior.jpg, and Image:Iloilo Airport Access Road.jpg needs a linkable source and/or evidence for the Attribution license, such as an OTRS ticket or a link to page providing permission. Kelly hi! 05:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Permission was granted via a message posted on the SkyscraperCity forum where I asked for these pictures. That would involve this message. I was free to choose the license for the pictures, so I used said license instead. The link will be posted on the summaries of the pictures. --Sky Harbor 09:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
      • Link posting done. --Sky Harbor 09:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
        • Sky Harbor, I'm sorry but I'm afraid the permission is not adequate - there is no license specified, and the permission seems to be for Wikipedia only. Unless this can be improved I fear the images will likely have to be deleted under WP:CSD#I3. See WP:COPYREQ#For images for what is required in an image license permission. Kelly hi! 12:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
          • I have written to the owner of the pictures regarding this issue (he is an inactive Wikipedian, as far as I know). I hope I can extract like an e-mail (or something) from him and post the results here. Frankly, I don't even know how to file an OTRS ticket. Updates will be posted as they come. --Sky Harbor 13:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
            • It's pretty simple - once you get the license, forward it to "permissions-en AT wikmedia.org" including a link to the image pages. A volunteer will put the OTRS ticket # on the image pages. WP:COPYREQ has the details. Kelly hi! 13:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)