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[edit] Illmatic
This article covers the topic completely. The hiphopwikiproject has worked extremely hard to bring it up to FA-status. Not only is it already a GA article, it is well written, accurate, and sourced as well --Chubdub 20:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- Support - it looks great. --HasNoClue 21:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- Support - as per nom. -- Tutmosis 23:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment - I don't like the excessive block quoting, but don't know enough about the subject matter to object. Is there any other way to cover this information? savidan(talk) (e@) 01:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Even as someone partial to pretty extensive quoting, the large, repeated block quotes here also make me a little nervous. I do wish it could be handled a little more elegantly, but it's not something I'd object over. Everyking 10:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
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- do you have any suggestions to improve the article's visual appeal. If I were to remove the block quotes, what would I replace them with? Chubdub 14:18, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Support, per nom.--Fallout boy 07:51, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Support, per nom. Crumbsucker 09:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment - Could you merge singles history with chart positions? Maybe just call it "singles", then?--Urthogie 10:00, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Are you suggesting that I simply merge the two sections with both charts displayed? Or combine them into one chart?--Chubdub 14:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Combine.--Urthogie 19:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Okay. I see what you mean. But how do you suggest I include information regarding the singles (i.e. Label #, Music Video directors, etc.) into the chart as well. Chubdub 19:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- I think the label # and music video director for each one is really not necessary, because label # is kind of a factoid (an external link to the record label at the bottom would be enough) and music video director is already listed once on the personell heading. Also, now that I think about it, the combined heading should be something like "Chart history".--Urthogie 19:44, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- No problem Chubdub 01:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- I think the label # and music video director for each one is really not necessary, because label # is kind of a factoid (an external link to the record label at the bottom would be enough) and music video director is already listed once on the personell heading. Also, now that I think about it, the combined heading should be something like "Chart history".--Urthogie 19:44, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Okay. I see what you mean. But how do you suggest I include information regarding the singles (i.e. Label #, Music Video directors, etc.) into the chart as well. Chubdub 19:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Combine.--Urthogie 19:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Are you suggesting that I simply merge the two sections with both charts displayed? Or combine them into one chart?--Chubdub 14:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Support, finally reached its destination. MOD 19:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Support, per nom. P.O.N.Y. 02:34, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- Support - on the condition that: Reference is provided for the working cover art (headlock) and the Bow Wow quote. Also, is there any way there could be less quotes and the content could integrated in some other way - though this is not a condition of my support, just a comment. But yeah, try and find those two references. Great work! Cvene64 15:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Object, the lead is too long and covers material that is not mentioed in the body of the article (like the album cover) - the longish quote in the lead is not really necessary either. The text could also use a copyedit to make the tone more encyclopedic (Despite, In fact etc.). On a minor point, refs go after punctuation, there is a mix of before and after throughtout.--nixie 05:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- According to WP:Lead, a lead should be no less than three paragraphs. P.O.N.Y. 15:19, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- It doesn't say that.—jiy (talk) 17:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- Articles that contain 30,000 or more characters require three or four paragraphs P.O.N.Y. 19:20, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- It doesn't say that either. It says "The following specific suggestions have been proposed..." As with any guideline, WP:LEAD contains suggestions, not requirements. Furthermore, this article is medium in size, containing roughly 22,000 characters worth of prose, for which the guideline suggests 2-3 paragraphs. I agree with nixie that the lead needs to be trimmed of its superfluities and unique information (i.e. Jesus in a headlock, remastered edition).—jiy (talk) 20:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- How about now????--P.O.N.Y. 20:42, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- Now I think its too short. Seeing as the article is undergoing a major edit, I will not make any additions to the lead as of this momemnt. But more content and details needs to be added before admission. Chubdub 00:42, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- Support- thanks for addressing my concerns, the adjustments you have made improve the flow of the text and have made the lead more direct and informative, the release addition is also a good improvement. On my last point, notes should follow punctuation, they all seem to do so following your adjustments to the article. Great work.--nixie 01:35, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- How about now????--P.O.N.Y. 20:42, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- It doesn't say that either. It says "The following specific suggestions have been proposed..." As with any guideline, WP:LEAD contains suggestions, not requirements. Furthermore, this article is medium in size, containing roughly 22,000 characters worth of prose, for which the guideline suggests 2-3 paragraphs. I agree with nixie that the lead needs to be trimmed of its superfluities and unique information (i.e. Jesus in a headlock, remastered edition).—jiy (talk) 20:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- Articles that contain 30,000 or more characters require three or four paragraphs P.O.N.Y. 19:20, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- It doesn't say that.—jiy (talk) 17:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- Support - never seen a hip hop article that detailed Mike 14:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- Support - per Yungmike513. Very nice work hiphopwikiproject.--Jonthecheet 16:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- Support, but two comments:
- Comment #2 is adressed. I'm sort of reluctant to make a Personnel tabel that has such limited information. But should we decide to make one, what should a Personnel tabel include? And how should it look like Chubdub 00:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
