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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 02:59, 8 October 2007.

[edit] Herpes zoster

Article is about a fairly common disease that is a consequence of getting chicken pox earlier in life. Cleaned up to meet all of the standards of a medical article. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 17:13, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Needs work - the photo shows a very small outbreak. This image might be better. Acct4 17:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
    • So please tell me what needs work? And I'm not going to spend a microsecond dealing with Wiki-lawyering on images. If someone wants to do it, so be it, but there is a group of people who constantly revert images. BTW, most outbreaks are small.OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 18:27, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
      • I am sorry that you see my recommendation to change from a photo which could be confused with that of a rope burn as wikilawyering. I would gladly change to support if you were to replace the image. I am unfamiliar with the group of which you speak. Acct4 14:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
        • You misunderstood me. I don't want to waste the time finding a new image because the amount of wiki-lawyering that goes on with images. I did not think what you were asking was Wiki-lawyering even slightly. My problem is finding a new image is so difficult, I'd be challenged. Sorry if I came across wrong. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 16:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose - really sorry but I do think this'll get through and I can see a support coming once comprehensivess and then prose dealt with - alot of my general medicine is very rusty - had to look here to jog my memory...
A few lines on HZ ophthalmicus and the ear one, and Ramsay Hunt syndrome is needed.
needs some morbidity and mortality stuff - the page above is US focussed so some from elsewhere'd be cool too.
The link between immunosuppression and proneness to shingles needs expanding.
The article needs a history section where the stuff on historical terms and st anthonys fire needs to go and be expanded on. All stuff in lead should be in article body and more of it.
Can you point me to an article about a virus that has a history section? I'm not sure that there is a good history. I deleted the St. Anthony Fire, because it really is trivia, and is unnecessary in this article. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 23:11, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Virus maybe not, but schizophrenia (a clinical condition) does...are there no references to HZ/shingles in history whatsoever? I think the evolution (gah! that word again!) of common understanding of topics is fascinating and integral to how we understand them, plus all the funny names are cool. Anyway that's how I see it in psych articles..but, if there are none there are none.cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm still not sure what you mean and I'm being dense. When I think of history, I think of the progression of a disease or patient information. But I'm beginning to think that a "history of the study of Herpes zoster" or something like that is required. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 17:01, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Nah, wouldn't be big enough. what I mean is a short section (1-2 paras) where any classical/medieval refs/names/ideas on origins would go, and the St Anthony's fire bit. Schizophrenia has a history bit though this is more detailed. I'm sure TB has or should have one too. it wouldn't be big or notable enough for its own article. Should also put in who discovered it and/or isolated virus etc. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Prose ain't too bad. though the very first sentence is a bit icky and could do with a rewrite but I stared at it for a bit and nothing popped out. I think the comprehensiveness stuff needs to be addressed before the prose gets looked at in detail but I'll look once this stuff done —Preceding unsigned comment added by Casliber (talk • contribs) 23:48, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose—Needs a copy-edit. Lead inadequate. Here are random examples.

  • Opening sentence is a snake, and the closing parenthesis is wrongly located. Is the second sentence appropriate for the lead?
  • As soon as possible after the start of symptoms, not "rash".
  • Logical punctuation required at end of quotes.
  • "Eventually" vs. "7–10 days"?
  • "... can be spread from a person with active shingles to a person who has never had chicken pox through direct contact with the rash"—ambiguous without comma.
  • " The virus is not spread through sneezing, coughing or casual contact."—just told us that it can't be passed between people.
    • I've cleared up the two points. The disease cannot be transmitted. The virus can. I hope my copyedits make it clear. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 23:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Under "Causes", remove "However".
  • Skin ... skin.Tony (talk) 10:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment You suggest that shingles can be triggered by "severe emotional stress". This is not supported by the reference you provide. Thoughts? --ROGER DAVIES TALK 13:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Exactly why we go through this process. Missed that. But there are so many review articles of zoster, I basically had to choose one. Added it. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 23:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Looks good enough. Minor fixes:
        • stick to one spelling of Aciclovir. or Acyclovir.
        • "Chicken pox virus can remain dormant for decades, and does so inside the ganglion of the spinal cord." ---> Chicken pox virus can remain dormant for decades inside the ganglion of the spinal cord. ?
        • Wouldn't it be better to incorporate the 4 images in the gallery at the bottom of the article into the article body, say in the "Signs and symptoms" section? - TwoOars (Rev) 20:19, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
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