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[edit] Hampshire

Partly a self-nomination, as myself and the UK geography WikiProject have masively expanded the article over the past couple of weeks. From the references I've run out of things to add, so I think the article is pretty comprehensive. Compare with Dorset, which is already featured. Joe D (t) 21:00, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Support. Very interesting to read. Meelar (talk) 21:07, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose. I don't have a strong opinion about this article, and that is probably because in general it is just flat to read. There isn't anything wrong with it as such, it's just that Hampshire isn't that interesting a place. Harro5 21:23, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
  • Object Nothing on sport. I think there should be a section on that. Southampton and Portsmouth have football clubs. Hambledon is important to the history of cricket. Hampshire County Cricket Club is at the Rose Bowl. There must be loads of sailing and yachting with the Solent nearby. Also, the picture of "Southampton from Netley Hospital" looks like a lot of grass and some trees - I thought Southampton was an urban area, jguk 22:15, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • OK, done (except the image caption, which is correct, though the foreground is dominated by the hospital grounds). Joe D (t) 23:21, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • You can't see Southampton in that picture (unless you expand its size greatly). It's a misleading caption that should be removed - or perhaps better the whole picci could be removed. It's still not in the same league as Mumbai yet, jguk 19:23, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Object on several grounds:
    • Source citation is inadequate. For example, I recall that only the western half of the county was occupied by Jutes so I wish to check the assertion that the county was occupied by Jutish tribes. Theo (Talk)
  • Response: Reference and filmography added 6-6-05.
    I have split the endnotes from the references. It feel that more inline source citations would be better but insisting on rigourous citation seems inappropriate. --Theo (Talk) 07:12, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Significant omissions include:
      • Culture including sport (already noted by jguk above), educational institutions (e.g. University of Southampton, and Winchester College), theatres (e.g. the Nuffield Theatre company developed West End shows), and fine art (e.g. Millais was a native, and Lowry was a regular visitor and painted local scenes).
      • East Hampshire is an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty (AONB).
      • Famous residents including Gilbert White (Natural History of Selborne), Captain Oates, Benny Hill, and Craig David.
      • Historically, the Mayflower, the Titanic, and Supermarine (manufacturers of the Spitfire aircraft and flying boats).
      • The Boat Show.
      • Basingstoke as a financial centre, not just a traditional market town.
      • "Hampshire Hog" as the nickname for those born in the county.
Theo (Talk) 23:26, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • OK, added several of these and will look into adding theatres and people tommorow. I'm not sure whether the Titanic should go on the main article, but I'll certainly add that and other notable ships to History of Hampshire later. Can you clarify the Mayflower connection? I'd never heard of a connection and the Mayflower article doesn't mention Hampshire. Joe D (t) 23:58, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      The loss of the Titanic is a defining moment in Hampshire's history because it involved the loss of so many residents of Southampton (the county town). The Mayflower originally departed Southampton; this is stated in that article. --Theo (Talk) 07:12, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose for some quibbles. It seems odd for an English county's area and other measurements to be given in square miles first, then kilometers (the infobox only gives kilometers). Also, I assume the source for the demographics in the infobox is Office for National Statistics & Hampshire County Council, but that should be specifically cited in some way. The first sentence under "Physical geography" is odd -- is that a geological use of categories? (also why is that section "physical geography" but the main article "geology"? I suggest sticking with one or the other) And the second sentence refers to a "weak" variety of clay, which I guess uses some meaning of "weak" I'm not familiar with. There are an awful lot of statistics under "economy" that aren't cited, but should be (also under "transport"). Tuf-Kat 23:41, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
    • What's odd about miles? They're more commonly used than metric for measuring large distances. The sub-article of Physical geography is partly named such as a standardisation of the sub-article names across counties, and partly because the only other physical geography in the section is climate, for which there isn't enough to say for an extra article, or to split the section into geology and climate sections. The first sentence of geology is simply saying Hampshire can be divided in two by what its geology and landscape are like, I'll try and think of a less ambiguous way to phrase it though. I'll go and change "weak" to "non-resistant" and link to the sources now. Joe D (t) 23:58, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose I agree that a culture section should be added, universites should also be mentioned somewhere. The seascapes are lovely but don't really give an impression of the city areas or urban environment, the cathedral in that pic is compltetly obscured by a large tree, so you have one from a different angle. Also, what's the sifnificance of the yellow shaded regions on the district map?--nixie 04:50, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak support I'm sure the length can be expanded.Object Agree completely with nixie. Would also like to see average temperatures, rainfall; and the sports section expanded.  =Nichalp (Talk)= 11:58, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comments: I've added stats to the climate paragraph and changed some photos around to hopefully give a better idea of the towns and cities, but since I don't live in Hampshire and only rarely pass through it I don't have that many photos of my own to use, so am mainly relying on what other people have uploaded already. I've added a little culture, but haven't added Nuffield because I don't have and can't find a reference for its notability. The yellow areas are independent unitary authorities as it says in the list below the map. Update: I've also added a sentence linking to the universities in the settlements section, which I think is probably all that's needed on this topic for this page. Joe D (t) 16:19, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)