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[edit] Ferdinand Magellan
I think it's very neat. Muriel G 10:31, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Neutral. But getting better and with a little more work... Marlowe 20:17, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I don't like the section headers - they read too much like a children's schoolbook, not an encyclopedia article. The whole thing could do with more detail. In particular, more detail is needed on Magellan the person- David Gerard 13:01, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)- Headers have been streamlined. Text on Magellan's life has been greatly and, i think, well expanded - Marlowe 22:58, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Object, for the reasons below. Jeronimo 13:40, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)The article's quite short: I would expect more information to be available on Magallan.The image has no source/copyright info stated.The tables look ugly, and and I'm not entirely sure they're necessary.Two sentence sections should be avoided.The article continues calling him the first man to sail around the globe, a feat he did not accomplish (he died in the Pacific).A map of his journey would be nice (this is not part of my objection, although I wouldn't support the article without it).- Some of your objections have been addressed (will try to do some more editing later. some passages could use clarityMarlowe 22:52, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)):
- The article's quite short: I would expect more information to be available on Magallan. Article has been greatly expanded.
The image has no source/copyright info stated.Source cited.- There are copyrighted images used, claiming fair use -- but I'm skeptical whether this legitimately falls under fair use. IANAL, and I don't know if this is the right forum to discuss, but some of the sites these were taken from could be considered as competition, or at the least, they are providing similar information as Wikipedia about Magellan. I just doesn't "smell quite right" to me to take their work and repackage it for essentially the same purpose. older≠wiser 20:42, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- The tables look ugly, and and I'm not entirely sure they're necessary. Possibly ugly, but i think the table add insight, especially the names of those returned-- fascinating considering how many actually came back.
- Two sentence sections should be avoided. Remedied.
- The article continues calling him the first man to sail around the globe, a feat he did not accomplish (he died in the Pacific) This has been addresses in the lead, as well as later in the article.
- A map of his journey would be nice (this is not part of my objection, although I wouldn't support the article without it). I agree, will try to find one.
- Great improvement, but I'm not withdrawing my objection. New notes listed below. Keep up the good work, though! Jeronimo 06:54, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The two map images of Spain are copyrighted, and I see no reason why these should be fair use. Regardless, these images illustrate the - I think - least interesting part of his journey; the article could easily do without.This article is really more about Magellan's journey than about Magellan. There should really be more about him personally, if that information is available.Considering that Magellan would be a footnote in history without the circumnavigation i think it is appropriate to focus much of the article on it. Even so, the bio has been expanded so hopefully this addresses your objection. Thanks. Marlowe 20:24, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
As for the tables: I may agree they are interesting, but they still look ugly. Removing the borders would greatly improve them. Also, they should not be presented as entire sections, but rather as "side information". I'm not at all interested in the list of names of those who returned - none of them actually accomplished anything else (or did they?), but that's no reason to remove it.A minor point: the "early life" section has three paragraphs starting with "in 15xx". This looks a bit ugly.- Fixed. Marlowe 21:39, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
OK, this looks much better. My only remaining objection is the Sanlucar image. It's copyrighted, and I don't see why it is fair use. Jeronimo 21:31, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)If this is your only remaining objection, then i suggest removal of the picture. Its not essential anyway. Muriel G 16:08, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)- Created a new Sanlucar/Guadalquivir delta image from a NASA satellite shot. Ancheta Wis 01:12, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Support. A fine article about an important historical figure, and please, while I can agree that a two-sentence section could stand some revision, does that bar a work from feature article status? Denni☯ 06:02, 2004 Jul 3 (UTC)
Good article. My objection is that I don't understand how we can use Image:Magellan Map.gif as fair use, I think this is not something we should do in FAs.[[User:Sverdrup|❝Sverdrup❞]] 13:25, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC) (I addressed this myself 16:56, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC))- Object. Contains non-free images. anthony (see warning)
- I think this objection was already addressed. Muriel G 15:56, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- The portrait i think is under public domain because has more than 90 years. As for the others, for me they can be removed. Muriel G 18:16, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- As of now, it hasn't. Image:Ferdinand Magellan.jpg has no source or licensing information. Image:Strait_of_Magellan.jpeg is non-free. Image:Magellan_Map.gif is also non-free. anthony (see warning)
- I think this objection was already addressed. Muriel G 15:56, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Object. I don't think the copyrighted images qualify for "Fair Use" in the way they are used here. See my note above. older≠wiser 17:57, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Unless I'm missing the blindingly obvious, both those images are out of copyright. One is a portrait (which uncropped comes complete with Latin inscription) painted hundreds of years ago; the map is clearly pre-20th century, at least (they don't do them like that anymore). I've amended the copyright information. Markalexander100 06:44, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
