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[edit] Eleanor Rigby (song)

This is a self-nom of an article that I wrote a while back. It's improved a lot since then, I think, and the big Beatles' songs seem to feature prominently as featured articles, so I figured it was worth a submit. Anyway, any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks! --The PNM 06:33, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• I see some areas that could be expanded - there is no mention that there is an instrumental version on Anthology 2. It could also mention covers - I know of one by Godhead (band), there have no doubt been others. Morwen - Talk 12:14, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • I've added a section on covers and a little blurb about the strings only release on anthology 2. Any other suggestions? Thanks! --The PNM 14:03, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• mild object 1) In the section "The story behind the song", we read in McCartney's quote about the shop name, then we read further down that "Rigby" came from a shop name, and then we read again that "Rigby" came from a shop name. It's a little repetitive. 2) There is very little to inform the reader how this song fits in with the group's career, other than the fact that it was released along with "Yellow Submarine" on a single. Did this song demonstrate a shift in music style or some other turning point for the group? 3) My first thoughts when I hear the name of the song are of the smokestacks in the movie ("Yellow Submarine") all blasting at once as the cellos begin with that note, making it look like a whistle is blowing to signal the end of the work day. I think there is more that could be said about the symbolism that was used both in the lyrics and in the song's video presentation in the movie. 4) There are no samples from the song. A 10 second clip should be enough. slambo 13:14, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • Okay, I've tried to address some of these. I reread the repeition in the "Story Behind the Song" and almost cringed -- a healthy dose of deleting solved that, I hope. I tried adding a blurb in the introduction about "Eleanor Rigby" marking the continuing evolution of the Beatles started in Rubber Soul -- I mention that it's the first Beatles' song with no Beatles playing earlier -- but I'm not sure if I should add more context. Any ideas? I also added the audio clip at the end of the song. As for the Yellow Submarine movie, I need to rewatch in and do some research -- I'll hopefully do that shortly. Anyway, does it look any better? Any more suggestions? Thanks! --The PNM 14:55, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • For an analysis of the symbolism to be NPOV, it really needs to be presented in a "X states that Q symbolizes A, but Y disagrees stating that Q symbolizes Z instead". It's tricky, but with reputable sources, such a discussion can be done. I can add in my own interpretations, but that would fall into the original research realm. BTW, thanks for making the updates so far; I see steady improvement. slambo 14:57, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
• Support. I don't see anything remaining in the article that was objectionable. I know there was some other cover, by some jazz guitarist, Stanley Something, who was famous briefly for being the first new artist signed to Blue Note Records in yeasrs (this was the '80s) and he was famous for playing the guitar by just tapping the strings on the fretboard. He did it on his first album.

*Object, principally to the "Meaning" section. It's a summary of the lyrics (which don't really need to be summarized), plus an editor's interpreatation. I don't think this is consistent with guidelines re: NPOV and no original research. Monicasdude 19:28, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) Fair enough. Move me to the agnostic category, mostly to do with my opinions about FAs in general rather than this piece in particularMonicasdude 15:04, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• • Okay, removed the meaning section from the article -- other Beatles' featured articles have had sections like this but I guess "Eleanor Rigby" is so simple a song it's not really neccesary. --The PNM 19:56, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)