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[edit] Eagle Scout (Boy Scouts of America)

Currently rated as a Good Article. It has been through a peer review and has been aggresively edited over the last several weeks to resolve the noted issues. Self nomination. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 22:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Isn't there any way to turn the lists of equivalent honors into a table or prose? Themillofkeytone 00:35, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Response. I tabilized it, but it didn't look good, so I prosified the lists. Please take a second look. Rlevse 01:35, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Looks better than before... looking at the history it wasn't what I had in mind but the prose looks fine to me. I'll do a more complete reading tomorrow before voting. Themillofkeytone 05:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Support A listed Similar Awards has my preference. And I would move the ScoutingPortal logo to See Also to unclutter the top of the article. Fortunately, all in all, this is a well done article. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 07:23, 19 June 2006 (UTC).

Not Supporting (yet) but not opposing. I like this article. As an Eagle Scout myself, this caught my attention immediately. I like this article a lot, but there are some things that I would like seen done before I fully support.

  • First, excellent job with citing sources. I am a big supporter of referencing and I think you have done well. My only concern is that the sections after the beginning of History of the medal and History of the badge are not cited at all. If you could fix that, that would solve about eighty percent of what I have as an inhibitor.
  • The lead section, at least to me, seems a little short. This isn't incredibly important, though, because you say what you need to. I'm just throwing this out to you in case you feel like doing something to it.
  • When I was going through the Eagle process, the service project was incredibly important. If you could expand upon that (examples of service projects, etc.) then that would make me happy.
  • There's... something.. about the Similar awards section that just doesn't seem right. I know that this is not at all helpful, and I apologize for my lack of specificity. If you could rewrite it or redesign it in some fashion, I would appreciate it.

So, there you go. I wish you good luck and if you decide to pursue what I have mentioned, please drop me a line on my talk page so that I remember to come back and review it (and hopefully change my vote from effectively a good-natured neutral to a proud support :-) ). Linuxbeak (AAAA!) 11:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The medal and badge histories have one source in toto- the Grove book (and it's really hard to find now- I got lucky). The Murray site listed in the references is derived from that work- I think it's based on an early edition though, so its rather outdated. If there is a better way to reference this without plugging in the same footnote repeatedly, please let me know.
The lead has been pretty stable for a few weeks now- frankly it was all over the place before. Is there anything specific that you think should be there?
I'll think over the service project.
The similar awards was a list in the earlier version before the comments above.
I won't be able to personally get back to this until later this evening, but we have a good team on the job. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I have added details about the service project. Rlevse 13:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking that he meant us to expand the project under the current requirements- give some examples of a good project. It could probably take a whole paragraph in that section. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Done. Rlevse 14:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Looks good. After consideration, I'm supporting. Linuxbeak (AAAA!) 01:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Even though Linuxbreak can now support - I am going to try to add some more references in the sections that have none. Johntex\talk 02:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
The references for those sections are from Grove. A number of the Murray references are outdated. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 02:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Support: There may be a better way to do the similar awards section, but I played around with it for a bit and couldn't get it any nicer. My other issues have been addressed above. Maybe you can do something with the Grove book to make it more obvious that the whole section is sourced from that... Themillofkeytone 15:12, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Comment - Based on Linuxbeak's comments, I made some changes to the Eagle project section of the page. What do you guys think?--ZeWrestler Talk 15:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Either your format or mine is okay with me, just as either the list or prose version of the similar awards section is fine with me. But I do have a slight preference for the list versions.Rlevse 16:09, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Support Great article. Lead seems adequate, to me. (Now I wish I got beyond life Scout 20 years ago all the more!) I think the other awards section looks fine, too. Reimelt 19:05, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Support And I remember when Rlvese was just getting started with all the Scouting stuff on WP.. Staxringold talkcontribs 23:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support - I would add one thing, and change one other. The second point first - I got my Eagle in 1993, and still carry my original "gold card" - so I'm not sure it's correct to say that the plastic credit-card sized Eagle certificate card was introduced in 2000 (NESA also issues plastic cards of this type, white ones for five-year memberships, and I don't know what color for lifetime members). Second, it might be worth noting that if a recipient wishes to go to a Scout Store and get any of the merchandise, or, say, replace the tie tack (the chain has broken off of mine a few times) you MUST show said card. --JohnDBuell 00:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Comment Us older Eagles don't have the gold cards, but it is true you have to prove you're an Eagle. I'll defer to Gadget850 on your suggestions. Rlevse 01:14, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Response: Having just flipped to the back of the Spring 2006 Eagletter, it looks like the current small cards are white for Eagle Scouts, white for regular NESA membership, and gold for NESA life membership. Any Eagle scout can get the new white wallet card for $5 provided you give your name, date of birth, unit location and number, date of your board of review and the council's number! --JohnDBuell 01:23, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I know, but most people don't bother-;), though I did. The main point is proof you're an Eagle. Rlevse 01:30, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I brought the Grove book on my business trip, so I have it at hand. You are correct: the plastic cards were introduced in 1991. I'll fix that in a moment.
Replacement of official insignia requires verification by presentation of the card or certificate. Replacement of cards and certificates can be made by application to NESA. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:56, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support - Like the way this article has evolved and current condition of the article. --ZeWrestler Talk 13:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. Good work. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)