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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 03:52, 21 April 2007.

[edit] Donut (Red vs. Blue)

Seems to cover everything required. The only issue could be it's length. Buc 21:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Support per Buc; this is a job well done. Cliff smith 22:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I will restore my support when the comments below have been adressed. Cliff smith 23:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Mild object -- first, I wish more could be said about the notability of this character but I suppose this may be as far as that goes, but it's hard for me to get excited about this topic. Specific criticisms: (1) the "role in the plot" section has two issues. One, the end is somewhat abrupt, and the coverage of season 4 and beyond is very short - was the character not involved as much? If so, could that be said? And, are the minor points about episodes 77, 81, and 88 critical points in the plot? Because to me, they look minor. Two, I was confused at how Tex apparently was killed in one episode and reappeared later; could this be clarified? (2) The prose could be improved: it holds together but I felt that in many places it was written by fans who didn't feel the need to explain things an outsider might need to know (like the Tex thing, for instance). (3) I'm not wild about how much the sourcing depends on the official material: I'd like to see more from reliable, independent sources. The prose and the sourcing are both minimally okay for featured status in my book if my 1st criticism is addressed, but I wouldn't be a very enthusiastic support without better prose & sourcing. Mangojuicetalk 03:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
    • As the editor who reworked of the prose into its current form, I've realized for a while that there are some things that could use a better explanation. The problem is that I haven't had time to revisit this in a while; it was kind of a surprise to me that this was nominated for FA. Off the top of my head, no, there really aren't many other sources available; this may or may not change once the series supposedly ends in a couple of months (six more episodes remain). Season 5 is mostly incomplete because the character wasn't really involved in the first part, and there have been enough plot twists since then that haven't yet been resolved. I won't have time to look at this seriously for a couple of days (I'm a procrastinator who still has yet to finish up tax returns), but, after that, I might be able to take a look at the prose. — TKD::Talk 04:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Object, at the moment, per comprehensiveness and prose concerns that I stated in my reply to Mangojuice; as stated above, I might be able to work on these soon. As someone heavily involved with the article, I honestly wonder whether it might have been be better to wait until the series ends after six more episodes (episode 94 was just released, and the creators have announced that episode 100 would be the end). Not that current series have been barred from FA on stability grounds in the past, but I thought that I'd bring this point up in the interests of full disclosure. — TKD::Talk 04:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Do you know when the current season ends? Buc 15:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Well, there are six more episodes , which are released on a quasi-weekly basis (i.e., sometimes a week is skipped). So probably in June or July. — TKD::Talk 09:11, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment The article begins;

    Private Franklin Delano Donut is a main fictional character in Rooster Teeth Productions' machinima comic science fiction video series Red vs. Blue. Voiced by Dan Godwin, Donut first appears in episode 3 of season 1 as a new recruit, whose garrulous personality tends to annoy other members of the Blood Gulch Red Team, a group of soldiers engaged in a futuristic civil war against the Blue Team.

    Now I do not have a clue what a "Rooster Teeth Productions' machinima comic science fiction video series" is. I know that these terms are wikilinked (actually "video series" isn't), but we could really do with some kind of clearer explanation and elaboration as to what this article is about, as I am none the wiser despite spending my time trying to navigate the linked articles. We could also do with some punctuation in that sentence at least. If this was to go on the main page, or if the article was arrived at by random, I'm sure that I would not be alone in wondering what on earth this was about. Is this a character on TV? Is it a game? Is it a comic? Where in the world was this character created and who for, Mexicans? Mongolians? Please consider clarifying the jargon and subject matter.-- Zleitzen(talk) 19:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
    • The Red vs. Blue article deals with this.Buc 19:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
    • I eventually figured it out, but you're right, this is another place where the writing could be clearer. Mangojuicetalk 19:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.