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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 04:22, 5 May 2007.

[edit] Dante (Devil May Cry)

We at the Devil May Cry Task Force tried to shape this article after Link's Featured Article version (see here), the page was upgraded to Good Article and then it underwent a Peer review by WikiProject Video games. Like Devil May Cry and Devil May Cry 3 before it, all points presented in this page will be attended ASAP by me or any other member of the Devil May Cry Task Force, thanks for your time. -凶 23:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

    • Just finished expanding it a little. --凶 00:01, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Great article. Can't find much wrong. Quatreryukami 15:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment You should make the fair use rationales a little more specific. Right now they say identify the subject of the article. It shouldn't be too hard to add a line so that non-experts can identify the importance of the images rather than just having to take your word for it. Also, {{cite web}} does not automatically format the "date" field like it does with the "accessdate" field. You should add wikilinks to those dates so the user-preference formatting works. Jay32183 19:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Can you please provide an example of what you are suggesting? All dates have been wikilinked. -凶 21:38, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Image:Children of the Gods 1.jpg explains specifically why that image used rather than just saying an image could be used. Jay32183 23:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Also, there is an external jump in the middle of the text, and one of the refs is blank. Jay32183 23:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I have attended the points you present, in your opinion are they completely covered? -凶 00:45, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, you have addressed my concerns. Support Jay32183 02:44, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose. I know me showing up and telling you guys what to do must be getting old, so I'll try to make this as brief as possible:
  • The lead violates a few WP:LEAD guidelines, including content and number of paragraphs. I would suggest cutting down on the mentions of his appearances in other works; perhaps condense the sentences into something like "He is also present in several Devil May Cry novels and manga volumes, and an upcoming anime." These should also be referenced. As for paragraphs, I think the current section could be split into two, with "The character is a mercenary..." starting the second. Per WP:LEAD, some mention of his creation, characteristics and cultural impact should be added to the lead.Done
  • Reference #42 is broken. In addition, it links me to a blog site, which I do not believe ranks as a reliable source. I suggest removing this reference and either replacing it, or leaving ScrewAttack to cover that part. You could probably find something more about his reception through reviews, if "best characters" lists lack the information.Done
  • Finally, the article needs a copyedit, to bring it up to the FA prose standard of "compelling, even brilliant". This should also take care of the article's few violations of WP:WAF.
  • If these are taken care of, the article will have my support. JimmyBlackwing 09:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Most of the points have been attended, I will deal with the copy edit soon. -凶 19:21, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose Here's a couple of things that could be fixed:
    • The See Also section is not supposed to link to things already linked to in the article
    • Try to find some way to title the sections without repeating part of the article title in them, see WP:MSH, although this might be hard.
    • Why is Devil May Cry in italics only half the time.
    • What years does this series cover? I'm a not a videogame player, some background would be nice like "Since 1999, Capcom has produced four games..."
    • Ths whole section of prose needs a little work:"The first, entitled Devil May Cry on its cover and "Devil May Cry Volume 1" inside, was published in Japan in conjunction with the release of the first game, and depicts Dante in an adventure set before the events of the first game. The second novel (entitled Devil May Cry 2 in the U.S.) was published in Japan to coincide with the release of the second game, and takes place after the events of Devil May Cry (Video Game)." Why is the phrase video game in parentheses there? Why is the phrase Video game even there at all? Also, saying "first game" twice that close together should probably be avoided.
    • This sentence needs a little work too, the second half in particular:"Taking place about a year before the events of Devil May Cry 3, the manga tells the story of how the characters came to where they were at the start of the game." Not very brilliant prose.
    • "In the case of Dante, he first learns that his brother Vergil is alive since the time their mother was killed by demons." Poorly worded. You mean his brother is still alive, and Dante discovers this foir the first time since their mother was killed I assume. This sentence comes close to saying his brother was dead until their mother died and has been alive since.
    • "The character and Devil May Cry are one of Capcom's flagship game franchises, a franchise which has sold over five million copies worldwide to date (2007)." As of 2007 would be better as it avoids parentheses.
    • "The character is also present in several Devil May Cry novels and manga volumes, also being featured in an upcoming anime." This needs work "and will be featured" would be better.
There's more prose issues throughout, it needs some copy-editing. Quadzilla99 06:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.