Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ben Gurion International Airport

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 00:11, 12 May 2007.

[edit] Ben Gurion International Airport

• Support - The article has gone under a lot of recent work to bring the quality up, and a group of editors worked to meet featured criteria. --יהושועEric 19:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
• Support - Likewise, I feel that the article meets the featured article criteria. A large amount of time and effort has been put into this article. Flymeoutofhere 20:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
• Support - My concerns have been addressed. Good job! Zeus1234 23:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
  • The last paragraph in the terminal one section is not referenced.

Added reference--יהושועEric 22:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• • The terminal three section is a bit of a mess at the moment and has far too many paragraphs. The short paragraphs should be combined with the big ones, and each paragraph needs at least one reference, preferably at the end of the paragraph.

Fixed up terminal 3 section. --יהושועEric 20:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

• • The security sections has two references, but it is unclear if the bullet points belong in those footnotes. Are they unreferenced, or are they a part of footnote 20 or 21? It is not clear at the moment. A footnote should be place at the end of the section to clarify this

I don't know what you mean by a section footnote. I added one source, and I think that the section sources at the top cover most of the claims through the bullet points. --יהושועEric 22:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Generally footnotes apply to everything written before the footnote. In the security section, there is no footnote at the bottom of the section. Because of this, it looks like the entire section is unreferenced except for the first line. Therefore, you should add a reference at the bottom of the section (even if it is the same as the one at the top).User:Zeus1234|Zeus1234]] 22:59, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Done- added a new reference to end of paragraph, although it now look as if the ref belongs to the last bulleted item Derwig 23:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

You're right, it does look a bit silly. I think that it would be better if you put the same reference at the end of each bullet point, but use the single reference method, so as not to clutter up the footnote section. Zeus1234 02:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

• • No reference in the Short Runway Section

Done --יהושועEric 22:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• • Paragraph one of the rail section needs a reference.
    • Done Derwig 22:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
      • The second line in this section also needs a reference. Where do you get the figure of 1 million passengers? Zeus1234 22:09, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Found relevant source for section. --יהושועEric 22:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• • There needs to be at least one reference for the destination section. Hopefully the airport website has a page that lists all the destinations.
    • Done Derwig 22:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
  • The lead does not mention anything about the transportation options (rail, train, etc.), the runways, or the security situation. As these are important parts ofthe article, they should be mentioned in the lead. Zeus1234 20:55, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

The lead has been expanded to address these concerns. --יהושועEric 22:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• I think we covered all of your issues Zeus. Care to change your mind? --יהושועEric 20:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

• Support - a very nice, informative article that's great for a world traveler. --GHcool 21:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
• Comments 1) Source for Airlines and destinations section?2) I think there should be a more visually interesting way to have that section's info than a very long list. 3) I question the use of level 3 headlines for very short sections. I am sure any objections on this page can be overcome, though, and will be excited when this article reaches FA status. nadav 23:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC) I'm also surprised that with all the pictures, there is no picture of the arrival area, which has all those interesting ancient looking decorations. nadav 23:38, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I have had a look at other airports articles, all use the same list. Also look at WP:AIRPORT, this seems to be the convention, and there are guidelines for that list. Derwig 23:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
    • The problem is that according to the project, only one airport is FA, and it is up for review. Also the airport guideline is somewhat incomplete. The item on airline lists doesn't discuss the visual presentation, only the content. BTW, citation for the Ben gurion airline list isn't there. nadav 00:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
      • The airline and destination list is sourced at the top. Zeus1234 01:58, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
        • The list of airlines is sourced, but not the destinations. I see now some people are adding more destination cities to the airline list without adding any more refs. Are the sources for the destinations the individual sites of each of the companies? If so, there should be some sort of note that points to the right place for verification. nadav 19:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
• Comment, just two things:

1. Under the runways section, I'm not a fan of (Direction 12) and (Direction 21). To people that are unfamiliar with aviation, that means absolutely nothing. The former could be changed to something like "southeasterly" departures, and something similar with the latter. Same thing under the "Quiet runway" section. If it remains, it has to be explained.
2. There's an image of the duty-free down below (regrettably in a gallery section), so one probably isn't needed in the lead. It looks ugly lef-aligned, but I suppose it has to be because of the infobox. --Phoenix (talk) 15:52, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

1. The direction is a runway's name, and in an encyclopedia the name should appear. However, in every one of the 3 runways there is a mention of a direction (e.g Main- from West to East), and even a reader with no aviation knowledge can figure out that the other direction of a runway is the exact opposite. To address your concerns, I have wikified the word "runway" where it is first mentioned, the runway article contains an explanation of the naming conventions.
   • My point was that "Direction 12", though the orientation of the runway is mentioned, doesn't indicate which direction said event takes place. I just happen to be a plane nut and know that 12 is 120 degrees or to the southeast, but that probably eludes most people. Forgive my nitpicking, forget that. --Phoenix (talk) 22:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
2. Which image in the gallery do you mean? The image in the lead is of the main duty free hall , the most impressive hall in the departure area. The other 2 images I see are of a different shopping area immediately adjacent to the departure gates (1 row, Rt), and another of the duty free dining area (2 row). Those are different areas of the departure hall, and I dont see a problem with that. Derwig 17:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
   • It's fine now, thanks. Support. --Phoenix (talk) 22:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• In the lead: "It is the largest international airport in Israel, operated by the Israeli Airports Authority, a government-owned corporation that manages all public airports and border crossings in the State of Israel." Apart from the fact I can't find a reference for this in the lead, or further down in the article, the sentence is ambiguous. Is it the largest international aiport which happens to be operated by the IAA, or is it the largest aiport operated by the IAA (but there may be larger ones not handled by them). I think the largest bit should be put further up in the lead and the IAA part should be made into its own sentence to avoid confusion as to which parts of the sentence belong together. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Done--Flymeoutofhere 15:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC), reference added Derwig 20:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

The reference doesn't back up the claim. It doesn't say the airport is the largest in the country. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I updated the reference. --יהושועEric 13:24, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

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