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The article was not promoted 00:05, 24 March 2008.

[edit] Aang

Self-nominator: This article has come a long way, through four GA nominations and three peer reviews. Finally, the article has become greater than I have every imagined it to be. I think this article has what it takes to be FA. Parent5446^{(Murder me for my actions)} 02:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

• Comments

• Oppose - I don't think an article that only has 100 words on reception for a 3000 word article is really comprehensive (FA? 1b) Will ^(talk) 02:41, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Would you care to explain how we could get any more comprehensive when every other review on the Internet says the same exact thing? Parent5446^{(Murder me for my actions)} 02:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• It's the proportion of real-life to fiction. Most fiction FAs have a proportion of 70-30 or 60-40 to real life (i.e. creation and reception), whereas Aang is about 70-30 (or even 80-20) in the other direction. Will ^(talk) 13:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Where in the FA criteria does it say there must be a certain proportion of real life to fiction?

• Nowhere explicitly, but the difference shows that such an article isn't really comprehensive. Will ^(talk) 22:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• All possible sources about out of universe description have been added. You are welcome to look for more, but, as I view things, this is not a valid oppose since it is as comprensive as possible. The Placebo Effect (talk)`

• It should be noted that User:Sceptre (signing as "Will") has denoted on his user page that he is on vacation, thus he may not respond to comments on this page immediately. Parent5446^{(Murder me for my actions)} 13:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
• I think Sceptre/Will was actually refering to WP:UNDUE. With so little real-world content and so much fictional content, the article is either not comprehensive in regards to real-world information, or the plot detail is excessive per a MOS (WP:WAF). There are a few instances where the lack of real-world sources leads to originial research through synthesis of primary sources. Example: "Aang's character possesses a deep respect for life and freedom, as evidenced by his vegetarianism[13] and his reluctance to fight.[30]" - Who says he has a deep respect for life and freedom? Who says he has a reluctance to fight? Who says that even if the "his vegetarianism and his reluctance to fight" are obviously true (I haven't watched the show), that they support the first claim? This article is fine as a Good Article, but the focus on so much in-universe content really hinders it becoming FA (at this point). – sgeureka ^t•c 14:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

• I'm afraid I tried to look for more out-of-universe information but could not find any. However, I toned down the plot summary for the show and completely removed the plot summary for the game as it was not necessary. Hope it is better. Parent5446^{(Murder me for my actions)} 20:14, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose—1a, 2a, 1c. The prose is full of redundant wording and other serious problems. Take the opening para:

Aang is a fictional character and the main protagonist for Nickelodeon's animated television series Avatar: The Last Airbender. The character was created by Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko and is voiced by Zach Tyler Eisen. Aang, being the central characer for the program, has appeared in every episode of the show, including the pilot episode that has never been aired.[1] In addition to the series, Aang has also appeared in a variety of other media, such as trading cards,[2] video games,[3][4] T-shirts,[5] and web comics.[6]

• • Comma after "DiMartino" probably better (and ... and).
  • Was ... is?
  • Remove "being"; you might consider using dashes here: "Aang – the central characer for the program – has appeared in every episode of the show, including the pilot episode that has never been aired." BTW, is this a smooth integration of two seemingly different ideas into the one sentence? Looks awkward. And at the top he's announced as "a fictional character"; only now are we told that he's "the central character". Poorly organised.
  • Oh the additives: In addition ... also. Remove "a variety of", since you trot out the variety of them in your list, anyway.

• And further:
  • Do we really need "In the show,"?
  • Wouldn't mind a brief phrase after "Airbender", explaining that it's a super-race of aliens that regularly attack Earth, or something like that. One problem I have with such articles is their assumption of insider knowledge. "A supercentenarian at the incarnation age of 112"—huh? Am I missing something? The lead is meant to prepare us for the article, to paint the bigger picture, to lead us into the topic.
  • "that he must settle either along or with others"—along others? Um ....
  • and that he "seems to bring comfort in the most dangerous or hostile situations."[15]—See MOS on punctuation in quotations.
• This is way below standard. The whole text is urgently in need of serious, time-consuming copy-editing by someone ELSE. Please don't just correct these random examples.

• The verifications need auditing for accuracy, reliability, and formatting/MOS (I see ellipsis dots without the proper spacing, for example).
• Ref 2 is used at the top in support of the claim that the game is in "trading card" form. But the web-page is only a commercial prediction of future publicaiton in that form: "CARLSBAD, Ca. – November 17, 2005 –Nickelodeon’s latest hit animated series, “Avatar: The Last Airbender,” makes its trading card game debut in January ...".
• Ref 3 et al. require our readers to log in with a "nickname" and password, something that many will be chary about doing. Is this permissable?
  • Ref 8: Pittarese, Frank (2006). "Nation Exploration". Nickelodeon Magazine (Winter 2006): 2." Is that a page number at the end?

Tony (talk) 04:05, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

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