Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/ANAK Society

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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 17:25, 29 February 2008.

[edit] ANAK Society

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Self-nomination. This article began its life as a deleted, non-notable AfD in 2006. It was re-created with sources in late December 2007 and was quickly promoted to GA status. It recently went through the PR process but did not get much attention. I'm excited to see how the community responds to a FA candidate of this type; the fact that it is a modern secret society with mostly local influence meant that we resorted to an unorthodox form of sourcing. MaxVeers (talk) 06:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Support, although I am a significant contributor to the article; so it's more of a co-nom, I suppose. This is an amazing article, with an incredible number of sources for a topic that was previously deleted as unverifiable. I'd also like to point out to reviewers that some of our sources rely on The Technique, which has been moving to new servers as of late; therefore, their web archives have been down and some of those links may be temporarily broken. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 16:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment
    • Image captions should only end with full-stops if they are complete sentences.
    • Logical quotation should be used, as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Quotation marks
      • Done. I didn't find many examples of this. MaxVeers (talk) 03:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
        • I'm not sure this has been corrected; please have another look and ask Epbr123 to re-check. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
    • PDF sources need labeling
    • See WP:ITALICS#Words as words. Epbr123 (talk) 18:45, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
      • Not done. Can you be more specific about what the italics problems are? MaxVeers (talk) 03:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
        • These need italics rather than speech marks:
          • affixed to a capital letter 'T'
          • inscription ענק, meaning "Anak"
          • from "Anak" in the 1908 Blue Print to "ANAK". Epbr123 (talk) 10:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
        • Done. Thanks for the clarification! MaxVeers (talk) 15:12, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Support. This is a well-written article, and it appears to meet all FA criteria. Karanacs (talk) 17:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
    • The article comes across as very pro-ANAK. Other issues below.
      • Comment. I would argue that the Controversy section does a good job of covering criticisms of ANAK. I include all the skeptical sources I could find. The positive aspects of the organization are carefully sourced. As it is ostensibly a philanthropic organization, it may follow that criticisms are fewer than other types of organizations. MaxVeers (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Do not wikilink to other parts of this article from the lead (oldest, name, influential, etc) or body of the article (Transition section)
      • Done. Removed these. MaxVeers (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • This needs a citation in the lead, even if it is sourced in the article "Today, membership in ANAK is considered the highest honor a Georgia Tech student can receive; "
      • Done. Reorganized lede to indicate prestige of membership has changed in recent years. MaxVeers (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • I don't think you need to wikilink president, vicepresident, treasurer and secretaty
      • Done. Unlinked these. MaxVeers (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • There should not be external links in the main body of the article (see Tranisition to a secret society section)
      • Done. Moved the external link to a reference. MaxVeers (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Need a citation for this sentence, even if it is cited in a different section "In contrast, critics of the society suggest that the society acts in secret to shirk accountability for any negative consequences of its activities"
      • Done. Added a citation. MaxVeers (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • It is not necessary to include (see Controversy) when it's in the same article
      • Done. Removed it. MaxVeers (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • There are a lot of duplicated wikilinks. Blue Print, The Technique, yearbook, student newspaper, student organization, etc, really only need to be wikilinked once in the lead and once in the body of the article (and again in an image caption if necessary
      • Done. Removed all of these plus any others I noticed. MaxVeers (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • "Following the establishment of the Blue Print, ANAK and three Georgia Tech faculty members appointed the first staff of the Technique, Georgia Tech's student newspaper" - the previous paragraph makes it sound like ANAK was formed after the yearbook, but this sentence implies the opposite
      • Done. Removed the confusing clause. MaxVeers (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • There are a lot of random words that don't need to be wikilinked in this article (philanthropic, scholarship, plaque (and this is going to dental plaque, by the way), bust, coach, portrait, etc)
      • Done. Removed all of these plus any others I noticed. MaxVeers (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • If this is true "lost the election, a result widely attributed to her purported ANAK affiliation", then how can this be true "membership in ANAK is considered the highest honor a Georgia Tech student can receive"?
      • Done. Clarified in the lede that prestige of membership has changed in recent years. MaxVeers (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • I'd more the Name and symbology section to the very top or at least second
      • Done. Moved it to the first section. MaxVeers (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Why was D.V.S. Senior Honor Society chosen out of all other secret societies to appear in the See Also list?
      • Done. It was there because it's another Atlanta university-based secret society founded around the same time as ANAK. I removed the link; it's not necessary. MaxVeers (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Need additional citation for "was made public only upon a student's graduation". The existin citation shows that this does happen, but doesn't specify that this is the only was it happens.
      • Done. Added a quoted citation to ANAK's website explicitly stating this. MaxVeers (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • A great deal of this article is sourced to the ANAK society, with more sourced directly to Georgia Tech and its varied institutions. Has the organization been mentioned anywhere else?
      • Comment. Although ANAK has been influential, its influence is mostly confined to Georgia Tech and Atlanta. As such, it is generally only mentioned in literature about the region. Within this body of literature, however, ANAK is mentioned in a variety of types of published sources, including academic and popular books, newspaper articles, student publications, online sources, etc. Please also keep in mind that because ANAK is a secret society, sources will necessarily be harder to come by. MaxVeers (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Karanacs (talk) 17:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your extremely helpful comments! MaxVeers (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Great job in making changes :) Karanacs (talk) 17:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Support. I could make some deep comment about this article and phoenixes, but that somehow feels unnecessary. Any issues that I think I might have found have already been mentioned and addressed. LaMenta3 (talk) 17:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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