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Contents 1 Welcome 2 Welcome 3 Schein 4 You would seem to be new 5 History of the Jews in Hungary 6 Hello 7 Wikilinks and minstrel show 8 Stavelot Triptych 9 Julian (disambiguation) 10 1911 EB Page 16 11 Wikisource 1911Encyclopaedia Britannica project 12 A naughty word 13 1911 Britannica copy 14 Help needed with 'Sons of Noah' hijacking 15 Your efforts 16 Italics, etc. 17 Predynastic Pharaohs 18 A new userbox 19 Bach Portal 20 Limes Germanicus 21 Early life of Joseph Smith 22 1911 articles 22.1 Redlink verification 23 Pharaohs 24 Jacob Rodrigues Péreire 25 Saints Wikiproject 26 Przedecz 27 Ancient Greek Wikisource 28 Ajemian 29 David Oei 30 Last But Not Least 31 Willard Maas 32 George Avakian 33 Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion 34 WikiProject Biography July Newsletter 35 Fisher Tull 36 Biography Newsletter August 2006 37 Felipe Luciano 38 Jazzy Jay 39 1911 Britannica category 40 Biography Newsletter September 2006 41 Jan Vansina 42 Neva Pilgrim 43 Paolo Pandolfo 44 Cales 45 Diedre Murray 46 Kevin Klose 47 Marcus Rojas 48 Matt Glaser 49 Art Baron 50 Jason Kao Hwang 51 David A. Yeagley 52 Francisco Aguabella 53 Tom Varner 54 Adam Plack 55 James Makubuya 56 Henry Sapoznik 57 Peter Zummo 58 Kevin Burke 59 Charlene Teters 60 Bob Carlin 61 Some missing birth/death info 62 Emi Wada 63 Yoshi Wada 64 Category:Palestinian rabbis 64.1 Not using "Palestine" or "Palestinian" for Talmud and rabbis to avoid confusion 64.2 Not using "Palestine" or "Palestinian" for Talmud and rabbis 65 Anne LeBaron 66 Please use edit summaries 67 Jon Alpert 68 Carol Plantamura 69 Bertice Berry 70 Lee Pui Ming 71 Ajemians 72 Susana Baca 73 Categories and birth year precision 74 Fred Ho 75 Greg Banaszak 76 Spencer Wells 77 Foday Musa Suso 78 Thanks for categorization work 79 Helping out with the Unassessed Wikipedia Biographies 80 Wikiproject Biography March 2007 Newsletter 81 Willard Rhodes 82 Ida Halpern 83 David Behrman 84 Jewish Encyclopedia Category 85 Alan Greenberg (film director) 86 John Davison (composer) 87 Alan Feinberg 88 Linda Stein (artist) 89 Lenny Pickett 90 Archimedes 91 George Carlo 92 The WikiProject Biography Newsletter: Issue II - April 2007 93 Victor A. Marcial-Vega 94 Sarah Chayes 95 Yohannes Haile-Selassie 96 Layne Redmond 97 Bruno Nettl 98 Klaus Wachsmann 99 Rudy Maxa 100 Han Kuo-Huang 101 John Diercks 102 Al-Kindi 103 Haleh Esfandiari 104 James M. Adovasio 105 Paul Hawken 106 Karine Saporta 107 Glen Velez 108 WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive 109 Bruce Langhorne 110 John Perkins 111 Harry Manx 112 Bruce Molsky 113 Sumarsam 114 Betty Freeman 115 Harold Bloom 116 Scott Corbett 117 Elizabeth Falconer 118 Jeff Greenfield 119 Cacciaguida 120 Service award 121 Amy X Neuburg 122 DC Meetup notice 123 Ben Belitt 124 Vang Pao 125 Kitty Brazelton 126 Alan Abel 127 Bernard Goldberg 128 End of WP:Bio assessment drive 129 Award 130 Curtis Willkie 131 Link to years 132 WikiProject Biography Newsletter 5 133 DC meetup #3 134 Ashikaga shogunate 135 Van Hansis 136 Jusepe de Ribera 137 Antipope Innocent III

Welcome

Hi FeanorStar! Welcome to Wikipedia. I hope you enjoy it here, and I hope you stay. It's a fantastic project and quite a lot of fun.

In addition, I'm always glad to see someone else interested in Baroque music.

By the way, as far as I know, the title of Felice Anerio's group was indeed "vertuosa Compagnia de i Musici di Roma" (not "dei"). If you don't feel like fixing it I will later. On the spelling of the Cavalieri composition "Rappresentatione di Anima et di Corpo" I was surprised to find both spellings used (Grove uses "et" and some others use "e" ) so, hey, I'm fine with changing it.

Once again, a warm welcome to Wikipedia, and I look forward to your future work here. Antandrus 01:35, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Good work overnight! I see you have corrected a lot of my careless typing and formatting, and put up a bunch of important stubs (e.g. Froberger, Jacob Praetorius). It's feeling a little less lonely in the early Baroque now! Best, Antandrus 16:08, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Welcome

N/P i don't know what article your refering to, LOC i see kewl, now thats got to be an intresting job. --Boothy443 10:17, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Schein

Thanks for alerting me to that! I fixed it. Yup, I wrote the original Schein article many moons ago ... usually the procedure is to set up a bunch of redirects to avoid situations like this (e.g. Johan Schein, Johann Herman Schein, Johann Hermann Schein, Schein, would all redirect to the fully developed article, to minimize the risk of someone starting a new article unaware of the existence of one already there). Happy editing! Antandrus 02:42, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

You would seem to be new

Your improvement of Jacques Joseph Champollion-Figeac is appreciated. Even you were repelled by the bad-OCR bits, and like I, left it behind. --FourthAve 14:40, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

History of the Jews in Hungary

Hi Reinyday: Thanks for the reminder about the template. I was trying to alert the Wikipublic that the history stopped in the 1880s and needs to be updated to include the Holocaust and Communist periods. I mentioned this on the talk page. Hope that explains why I used the template. FeanorStar7

FeanorStar7, thank you so much for your kind explanation. It is greatly appreciated! I've restored the template. -- Reinyday, 02:34, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello

Yes, I enjoy the old wording of the 1911 EB and the challeges it presents to deciphering language garbles and updating. Welcome aboard! --DanielCD 16:30, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikilinks and minstrel show

Hi, FeanorStar7! Thanks for your recent edits to minstrel show. However, please be aware that overlinking an article is a current hot topic on Wikipedia. Compare, for example, Wikipedia:Build the web with Wikipedia:Make only links relevant to the context. I used to be in the former camp, but arguments have swayed me into the latter in recent weeks. It also seems that reduced linking is currently en vogue at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. At any rate, I wanted to let you know that I may delink some of what you recently linked. Not all, but some. I just wanted to make sure you didn't take it as an affront! BrianSmithson 02:19, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Stavelot Triptych

Hi, was wondering if you had any thoughts or ideas about the question on the discussion page of Stavelot Triptych -- in search of a photograph that can be properly licensed under creative commons or GNU or public domain. Stbalbach 04:07, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

oh sorry, I guess the question is do you know anyone who has access to it that can take a picture and upload to Wikipedia. Whoever takes the picture owns the copyright and can release it under a public domain or creative commons license. The only pictures I could find are through google, most of which are impossible to establish a license for since you never know who took the picture originally. Stbalbach 13:56, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Julian (disambiguation)

Noticed your recent edit to Julian (disambiguation), under the edit summary "wikify". Disambiguation pages are not articles, and have their own style designed for effeicency for readers. This includes not having unncessary wikilinks. More info is at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). Happy editing! --Commander Keane 11:53, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

1911 EB Page 16

Per your note on Page 16 discussion: Ok, If you can verify them that would be great. Do you think we should have a vote for noninclusion for some of the articles, like the ones on page 1? I was thinking we could use page 16 for this if we can get it cleared out. Some of these are just not of any use. Like Seal Fisheries. Any info here will be dated, but I suppose if someone wanted to write on the "History of Seal Fisheries"...but even then...good grief let's just chunk it. But I don't want to without a vote.

Also: I hope you guys don't mind my constant reformatting. --DanielCD 17:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Yea, we should probably keep them around. I'm usually very conservative about deleting, that's why I put up the vote thing, so others could comment. I think finding a cubby hole for them somewhere is a good idea. --DanielCD 01:29, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikisource 1911Encyclopaedia Britannica project

Have you yet seen the Wikisource project?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:WikiProject_1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica Then follow internal link to 1911 Encyclopaedia for the texts we have so far.

The goal is to have the entire EB1911 there fully corrected with the original illustrations and then locked, as a service for WP Editors. If you have the time we would welcome you as a participant. Apwoolrich 15:29, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your prompt response. I suggest you sign up for Wikisource then signup for the EB1911 project page We so far have a lot of articles from the start of vol 1 that need attention. We do have some conventions for long articles and I suggest you have a look at the Music one in our EB1911 list to get an idea. Am I right in thinking that a number of articles from EB1911 have recently been put on Wikipedia? Do you know how many? Maybe we ought to be thinking about getting these put on Wikisource as well for proper editing.

I have a personal copy of the compact edition of EB1911, and am just now putting on the list of contributors from the index volume. I have also added the original introduction and wrote the biogs of Hugh Chisholm and Janet E. Courtney, staff members, and I have some more to do when I can get round to it.

You might care also to have a good look at the Help pages which I have been writing. Editing for Wikisoource is more complex than writing for Wikpedia and I am trying to smooth the path of new editors. Even after about 18 months of regular editing on Wikipedia I have had a struggle to sort out some of the techniques need here. Kind regards. Apwoolrich 22:17, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

A naughty word

Hey, could you check the original text of the article Antoine-Élisabeth-Cléophas Dareste de la Chavanne in 1911EB. there's a word there that's driving me nuts, a name: " \Teil-Castel". Jrank has it as Schleiers-Castel, but I can't find anything on this. I was hoping that whatever section of the 1911 you have would have this. --DanielCD 22:28, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

If it's not a problem. Must be nice to have access to so many resources. That one was just driving me nuts. Thanks a lot for the help. BTW I deleted those three articles (Logographi, Lombardo (family) and Thomas M'Crie) from the page; hope that's ok; they looked fine. --DanielCD 03:56, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

1911 Britannica copy

Hi, FeanorStar7. In one of your messages on the 1911 Britannica project, it sounded like you have access to a physical copy of the encyclopedia. If that is the case, and it's not too much trouble, I was wondering if you could look up a few numbers in the Boring (mechanical) article. Some of the numbers were garbled in both online versions and the 4 sets of numbers in bold are only guesses. Thanks, Kjkolb 22:40, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Help needed with 'Sons of Noah' hijacking

Hi FeanorStar - I was wondering if I could trouble you for a little help.

The Former Featured Article, Sons of Noah, that several of Wikipedia's best editors carefully collaborated on, was recently hi-jacked by a single user, FDuffy, who first moved it to a totally different subject with no discussion; blanked out years worth of research, filled the new article "Table of Nations" with blatant POV, strawmen, terrible grammar and spelling, and replaced the text with several inaccurate tables; deliberately placed false GFDL histories at the old title to prevent me from moving it back without an admin deleting it; and finally, has reverted to his sloppy, deficient and POV version numerous times in the past couple of days. I have been trying to counter these actions single-handedly, as noone else has even taken a notice; please see the discussion on the Talk Page: Talk:Table of nations. He is refusing to budge on a single point, even insisting that bizarre spelling such as "nethertheless" and "disguarded" for "discarded" are correct "British English"...!!! Someone has to notice this behaviour and do something here!

Anyway, what I was hoping you could do to help is this: On the talk page I have been trying to take on the problems with his version point by point, one at a time. So far we haven't even got off the first point. Apparently he found a wikipedia article that stated that the Ancient nation of Turkey known as "Tabal" was also known as "Jabal" and "Jubal", so he insists on writing this erroneous info into his chart alongside "Tubal, son of Japheth". From his responses to my challenge of this, it seems evident that he is bluffing about his sources; he cannot even provide an actual quote and does not seem to even know what they really say. But finally, after much pressing, he finally gave the following as his "sources" (without any quotes) for his (fraudulent, if you ask me) contention that Luwian inscriptions in Alişar and Çalapverdi, Turkey, refer to either "Jabal" or "Jubal":

Kurt Bittel (Hattusha, the Kingdom of the Hittites 1970: pp. 133 f)

Ivane Javakhishvili. Historical-Ethnological problems of Georgia, the Caucasus and the Near East. Tbilisi, 1950, pp. 130-135 (in Georgian)

Like I said, he isn't able to tell us what they actually say, just pretends to have knowledge that they back up his contention that Tabal was also referred to as "Jubal". (BTW He ripped these titles from the page Tabal.) Outside of wikipedia, I have never seen any sources anywhere referring to the Anatolian Tabali as "Jubal"/"Jabal". I won't be able to get to a sizable library for several days, but in the meantime I was wondering if there is maybe anything on this you could possibly find out, in the name of Truth. I may be able to get my hands on the Bittel book myself as early as today, though. Much regards, ፈቃደ 14:54, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Wow, if you can find out what the Georgian says from a Georgian, that would be great! I think I have probably seen Bittel before somewhere, but can't remember what library it was exactly... Yeah, contacting an admin looks like my next step; I'm going to try Llywrch... Cheers, ፈቃደ 16:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

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I would like to point out that Codex's expression of this is somewhat biased, and, perhaps deliberately, mischaracterised. Inevitably, since he is the aggrieved party. I would also like to point out that collecting together editors which support your pov constitutes bullying, which is inappropriate behaviour.

The British English spelling rule I am insisting on does not concern dis(card/guard)ed. It concerns the use of are and is for a particular type of collective that English English regards as plural but American regards as singular. Since the sentence in question was written by a speaker of English English, "authors choice" requires that it use are.

The inscription in question is Luwian not Kartvelian (Georgian). Its also in a slightly unsafe area of Turkey (danger of kidnap by religious extremists/Kurdish nationalists/both). I did not rip the titles from Tabal, for example, I did not include Tobol amongst them.

I did not blank out "years worth" of "research", but incorporated most of the earlier material, supplementing it with a volume of further academic material, from e.g. the Jewishencyclopedia (there is an online copy - its easy to verify).

The alleged "mischaracterisation"/strawmen of creationist pov in the article, an allegation made by Codex, is in fact carefully checked material, and even features already on the article Japheth. In fact, it was Codex that added it to that article. On at least two seperate occasions.

The article Japheth, specifically Codex's additions has (amongst others)

• Meschech = Algonquians
• Gomer = Germany
• Magog = Hungary

I carefully researched this, and determined that creationists do indeed make these claims, specifically

• Meschech = Massechusetts (one of the tribes of Algonquians)
• Magog = Magyar (the main ethnic group in hungary)

I also found the claim that

• Javan = Japan

And repeatedly cited the source. I am at a loss to see why Codex views these as mischaracterisation, when Codex added them (except Javan=Japan) to an article themself.

I am further at a loss to see why Codex does not comprehend the connection between Nubia and Nimrod or Cush and the Sudan. Both of these are obvious from a fact I have repeatedly pointed out:

• Kush is an ancient nation, attested in several documents, situated in the (north) Sudan. It was later Nubia.

--User talk:FDuffy 21:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I haven't even begun to discuss Cush/Kush/Nubia/Sudan on the discussion page yet. Don't worry, that's coming. Of course I realize that modern Sudan was first settled by Cush, but my point is that 'East Africa' is more appropriate. Let's not fill FeanorStar7's page with all this stuff; the only question that's relevant here that s/he can hopefully help with is: Yes or no, do Bittel and Javakhishvili (or for that matter, any documented source you can cite) really describe the inscriptions in Çalapverdi as mentioning "Jabal" / "Jubal", or do they not. ፈቃደ 22:07, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Your efforts

Hi there. It's been a while since we've worked together. I kinda lost steam on the EB1911 project after the biographies were done. But I feel you deserve a little something for your efforts and I want to let you know they are appreciated. Feel free to display it proudly on your user page. Anyway, cheers! --DanielCD 16:25, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Italics, etc.

Hi Feanorstar! Thanks for the copyedit; yes, I think you're right, a lot of the foreign terms should be italicised, and I don't often think to do it. It occurs to me that this is quite inconsistent within the music history articles, and although a rather large undertaking, making such things consistent probably ought to be done.

And by the way, I agree with the sentiments expressed above by Daniel, and I'm quite happy to see you are still editing here! Take care, Antandrus (talk) 04:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Predynastic Pharaohs

Hi,

I'm very interested in your sources on the articles you've created on Tiu (pharaoh), Thesh, Hsekiu, Wazner, as well as Iry-Hor. Can you please let me know where you found this info? Flyboy Will 19:22, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

A new userbox

Here's a new userbox I personalized for myself. Thought I'd share it as it's kinda funny.

--DanielCD 17:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Bach Portal

I think a Bach Portal is a pretty good idea. I don't know how to go about setting that up, but I'm willing to participate wherever possible. Microtonal...(Put your head on my shoulder) 03:25, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Limes Germanicus

This article could use a "FeanorStar7" touch if you are interested. I'm gonna try to get to it someday... Just FYI if you are interested; it's a direct 1911EB transfer. If you're not interested, just ignore this message. Take care. --DanielCD 22:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Early life of Joseph Smith

The article Early life of Joseph Smith, Jr./Stable is currently being proposed to be made a Stable version, this nomination is a test of the process detailed on that page. As you have edited that page recently, please review the stable version of the article and join the discussion at Talk:Early_life_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr./Stable. dml 00:16, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

1911 articles

Many of the articles you have added recently are so outdated and incorrect I would not consider them appropriate for Wikipedia. The reason many of them had remained on the 1911 list for so long was because the 1911 articles were hopelessly outdated and someone needed to do research before a decent article could be created. It is generally better for Wikipedia to have no article on a subject than to have incorrect outdated information (especially given the tendancy information in Wikipedia has of propogating and spreading through the entire internet). As just one example, the article you created on Nusretabad contains 4 errors within just the first 6 words!

1. Its modern spelling is Nosratabad, not Nusretabad
2. It isn't the capital of anything anymore
3. Persia is now Iran
4. Seistan is now the province of Sistan and Baluchistan

I appreciate your desire to help with the 1911 project, but simply cutting and pasting from the 1911 article (without even checking to see if any of the content is valid) isn't very helpful to Wikipedia. I hope you are planning on revisting those articles to correct and update them. Otherwise I don't see the point of your effort. Kaldari 07:16, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Just to re-iterate what Kaldari said, it is very important not just to copy and paste 1911 articles without thinking because often the information is *very* wrong. I know it means we finish the 1911 project more slowly than we would otherwise do, but honestly 1 good article is much much better than 10 copy n pastes. Don't get me wrong I appreciate that you are a good editor trying to make WP better so this is supposed to be some gentle encouragement. Hope that's ok. Pcb21 Pete 08:59, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. Yeah some sort of tag or template that makes clear that is old information sounds like a great idea. Pcb21 Pete 12:25, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

That's fine (although I will go ahead and make the redirect for this particular example). In general, if there's a lot of these 1911 articles, it is probably worth making a specific tempate, say Template:Update from 1911 needed, that specifically says that the info is from EB 1911 and has not yet been updated. Pcb21 Pete 12:41, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Using the update template is fine. It would also be nice if the research that was compiled in the 1911 list were at least copied to the respective articles' talk pages so that it isn't lost. Some of those articles are going to be difficult scavenger hunts to update, so any extra information is useful. Kaldari 15:36, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Redlink verification

Hello there; I seem to be the only one working on getting the redlinks properly redirected on Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/1911 verification. You sounded interested; want to help? Alba 17:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

FeanorStar7 wrote: If you can tell me a quick way to do redirects, I can try to work on them.

Here's the process I've been following. You may decide for yourself if it's too much for you.

1. Find the next redlink.
2. Observe if it is an obvious typo or if the obvious name is nearby on the list. If so, redirect immediately.

   For instance, on list A2, Agustin Moreto Y Cavana and Agustín Moreto y Cavana are obviously the same.

3. If not, click on "1911" to search LoveToKnow. The exact title should have at least two hits: the page itself and its listing in the index.
4. Check the page itself. Usually you'll find it a simple typo or an initialism of a complete name. You may not find the entry.
   1. If an initialism: do a Google Wikipedia search with the full name. You'll probably find the correct Wikipedia entry, in which case, redirect there.
   2. If a typo, don't redirect but simply note as a typo on the list and move on.
5. If not found:
   1. Click forward and back a couple of pages -- it may simply be not copied over correctly by LoveToKnow's scanning software.
   2. If that fails, look at the LoveToKnow index -- again, it may be a typo.
   3. Look at entries on the page with multiple names; you may have a synonym on your hands.
6. If all else fails, mark as "ambiguous" (i.e., needs more examination) and move on!

That's all there is to it! Alba 00:55, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Pharaohs

A long time ago (July 2005), you created stubs for several pre-dynastic pharaohs of ancient Egypt, before the uniting of the Upper and Lower Kingdoms, (Wazner, Thesh, etc.) These tiny stubs are unsourced, and I was wondering where the names had been mentioned. Thanks, Xoloz 20:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

A little digging reveals that the names originated with User:Obsidian in 2002 [1]. He is, unfortunately, no longer an active WPian, so questioning him is probably of little use. I would not support the removal of those articles at present; most information from the early wiki-days was not rigorously sourced, so it is right to WP:AGF, especially in the case of a prolific contributor. I shall do my best to find the source the hard way, and if nothing can be found, then I will seek some remedy, which might include deletion as an extreme alternative. Thanks for your time, and sorry to have troubled you. Best wishes, Xoloz 17:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Jacob Rodrigues Péreire

Shalom FeanorStar7, something went wrong, when I tried to make a redirect from "Jacob Rodrigues Péreire" to "Jacob Rodrigues Pereira" - can you help me? His right name is Jacob Rodrigues Pereira, he was born in Peniche Portugal and only his sons took a "french(ized)" name. Thanks, --Sei Shonagon 04:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Saints Wikiproject

I noted that you have been contributing to articles about saints. I invite you to join the WikiProject Saints. You can sign up on the page and add the following userbox to your user page.

Thanks! --evrik 17:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Przedecz

You have spent more Wikitime on The Jewish community of Przedecz, Poland than user:Simonschaim did so you deserve a few words. I have a rooted dislike of people who do crude copy-and-pastes into Wikipedia - it always looks like idle self-promotion and in this case it was that to some extent. But the fact is that barring the paragraphs about his daughter's visit, it is a perfectly wikiworthy article.

Chaim Simons has given a copyright release on the talk page and I am prepared to accept it as genuine without seeking proof. So if you want to resurrect the article, I will support you.

I see an interesting parallel with a couple of articles I have noted recently: Lustleigh May Day and Lustleigh bells! Wikipedia probably does not have space for articles about every English May Day celebration and every English peal of bells but it certainly does have space for a few articles about typical examples of the genre. Likewise it probably does not (yet) have space for an article about the history of every Jewish community in every Polish town but it certainly needs an article about a typical example. I am not sure how best to link such "typical" articles. -- RHaworth 23:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Ancient Greek Wikisource

I understand from your userboxes you're interested in Ancient Greek. I've submitted a proposal to add an Ancient Greek Wikisource on Meta, and I'd be very grateful if you could assist me by either voting in Support of the proposal, or even adding your name as one of the contributors in the template. (NB: I'm posting this to a lot of people, so please reply to my talkpage or to Meta) --Nema Fakei 20:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Ajemian

Hi, great to see you chime in at Anahid Ajemian. I'm not familiar with the source you mention but do you think you could find similar information about Maro Ajemian? Or other individuals for whom we can't find birth/death dates? Badagnani 00:17, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

How wonderful. Does the general public have access to this database? If not, I hope you won't mind if I consult you from time to time. By the way, do you know Kevin LaVine in the Music Division? He's been helpful with my research. Badagnani 04:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

David Oei

Can you find info on David Oei? (Specifically birth date, nation of origin, and citizenship?) He's not a composer, but a pianist. Badagnani 22:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Last But Not Least

Hello FeanorStar7, I'm getting acquainted with and am thanking many valued participants who appear to cheerfully clean up my awkward edits. It's great comfort to have you watching and highly appreciated. Thank You. (Lunarian)

Willard Maas

Could you find dates for the experimental filmmaker Willard Maas? Badagnani 07:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

George Avakian

Here's another one for whom a birth date would be great. George Avakian. Thanks again, Badagnani 08:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion

Hello! I noticed that you have been a contributor to articles on Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion. You may be interested in checking out a new WikiProject - WikiProject Anglicanism. Please consider signing up and participating in this collaborative effort to improve and expand Anglican-related articles! Cheers! Fishhead64 22:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography July Newsletter

The July 2006 issue of the Biography WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. plange 08:30, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Fisher Tull

Hi, think you could find the full middle name of Fisher A. Tull? Badagnani 05:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

You are great!!! Badagnani 16:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the Fisher Tull full middle name is extremely esoteric information, as it doesn't seem to appear anywhere (I'm not sure if the American Grove Dictionary has it). Dates for lesser-known musicians like David Oei and Maro Ajemian are great to have as well. Glad to have you as part of the Wikipedia community; the power of the information you have access to is great, because through this website it can enrich everyone with access to the Internet (except in China, where Wikipedia is banned!)  :) Badagnani 23:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Biography Newsletter August 2006

The August 2006 issue of the Biography WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. plange 01:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Felipe Luciano

Can you help find a date and place of birth for the New York City-based Puerto Rican American poet Felipe Luciano? Badagnani 01:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Jazzy Jay

This one might be hard: need date and place of birth for DJ Jazzy Jay (Jayson Byas). Badagnani 01:17, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

1911 Britannica category

What happened was that User:R. Koot changed {{1911}} to use Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating text from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica (what an ugly name). I assume he's an administrator as that template is locked. I've written asking him if this was part of a larger systematic cleanup, and of course I can't revert it. The remaining articles you found are those whose editors used the 1911 Britannica category explicitly, so there's a fragmentation that needs to be fixed. David Brooks 02:16, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

He has replied: User talk:DavidBrooks#re:_New_category_for_1911_template. David Brooks 19:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Biography Newsletter September 2006

The September 2006 issue of the Biography WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. plange 00:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Jan Vansina

Hi, can you find the date and place of birth of the ethnographer and historian Jan Vansina? Badagnani 00:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh boy!!! Badagnani 01:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Neva Pilgrim

Hi, can you find birthplace and date for Neva Pilgrim? Badagnani 01:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Paolo Pandolfo

Is there any chance you could find birthplace and date for Paolo Pandolfo? Badagnani 07:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Cales

I sow the voice you wrote about Cales. Someone changed the voice from city into an hero.

I've rolled it back

Greetings from Italy

Carlomorino

Diedre Murray

Hi, do you think you could find birthplace and birth date for the cellist Diedre Murray? Badagnani 08:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Kevin Klose

Hi, can you find the date and place of birth for Kevin Klose? Badagnani 09:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Marcus Rojas

Here's another one: can you find date of birth for the tuba player Marcus Rojas? Badagnani 06:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Matt Glaser

Thanks for Marcus Rojas info! Could you possibly find birth information for Matt Glaser? Badagnani 08:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Art Baron

And another one: Art Baron. Badagnani 08:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Jason Kao Hwang

One more: Jason Kao Hwang. Badagnani 09:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

David A. Yeagley

Thanks for adding information to the articles! Here's one more: David A. Yeagley. Badagnani 21:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Francisco Aguabella

Thanks for everything -- here is one with no birth year: Francisco Aguabella. Badagnani 06:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Tom Varner

Hi, can you find the birth city for Tom Varner? Badagnani 10:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Adam Plack

Hi, thanks for everything -- can you possibly find birth info for Adam Plack? Badagnani 05:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

James Makubuya

Here's a new one: James Makubuya. Badagnani 03:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Henry Sapoznik

Hi, can you find birth info for Henry Sapoznik? Badagnani 13:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Peter Zummo

And another one: Peter Zummo. Badagnani 14:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Kevin Burke

One more: Kevin Burke. Badagnani 23:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Charlene Teters

Thanks for birth info on those musicians! Here's an artist for whom we could use information: Charlene Teters. Badagnani 10:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Bob Carlin

Here's one more: Bob Carlin. Badagnani 10:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Some missing birth/death info

Hi, a new user has a "want list" of birth/death info. It's a handful of composers so whenever you have a chance, it would be great if you might be able to find something. Badagnani 03:01, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

• Hey there -- I'm the user Badagnani was referring to. Just wanted to let you know that I've updated a few things on my composer list using grovemusic.com, but there's still a lot of info that I can't seem to find right now. No pressure, though, just wanted you to know that I updated a little in case you were following... — Middlepedal 16:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Emi Wada

Could you possibly find an exact birth date for Emi Wada? Badagnani 05:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Yoshi Wada

Also, place and date of birth for the Japanese-born American composer/performer Yoshi Wada? Badagnani 05:30, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Palestinian rabbis

What does one make of the new Category:Palestinian rabbis and Category:Talmud rabbis in Palestine, should they be renamed to something like Category:Rabbis of ancient Palestine? so that it does not connect, and become confused with, the way the word "Palestinian" is used today (meaning the very unJewish modern Arab Palestinians, who have nothing to do with these rabbis!) Thanks. IZAK 09:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

• Hi: I have created a solution: See Category:Rabbis of the Land of Israel and Category:Talmud rabbis of the Land of Israel. Thank you. IZAK 14:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Not using "Palestine" or "Palestinian" for Talmud and rabbis to avoid confusion

Note: Many articles about the rabbis of the Talmud and Mishnah are derived from the archaic Jewish Encyclopedia, published between 1901-1906, over one hundred years ago (when the Middle East was still under the thumb of the Ottoman Turks) and which used the archaic expressions "Palestine" when referring to the Land of Israel, and to the Jews living in the areas of the historical Land of Israel as "Palestinians." This is a big mistake that requires constant attention and correction, especially when copying and editing articles from the Jewish Encyclopedia or from similarly archaic sources such as Easton's Bible Dictionary (1897). At this time, no-one uses the term/s "Palestinian/s" (in relation to anything associated with Jews or the land they lived in and which they regarded as their homeland) nor by any type of conventional Jewish scholarship, particularly at the present time when the label "Palestinian" is almost entirely identified with the Palestinian Arabs who are mostly Muslims. Finally, kindly take note that the name Palestinian Talmud is also not used and it redirects to the conventional term Jerusalem Talmud used in Jewish scholarship. Thank you. IZAK 13:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Not using "Palestine" or "Palestinian" for Talmud and rabbis

Makes sense, I'll try to remember. However, there was a period when everyone referred to the land of Israel as Palestine. Therefore, to say something like "in 1940 Shlomo Pines emigrated to Israel" would appear to be an anachronism. Don't we have to use the term "Palestine" during a certain period for historical accuracy? What is this period? From Roman conquest until 1948? Thanks. Dfass 15:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

• Hi Dfass: Note: The term "Land of Israel" is an old one of Biblical origin, whereas the name "Palestine" is considered offensive by many Jews because it was coined by the Romans after they crushed the Jews of Judea-- and needless to say today it refers exclusively to the Arab Palestinians and never to Jews. Note also that the "Land of Israel" article is not the same as the "Israel" article because the latter refers to the modern post-1948 Jewish state. My main concern was about rabbis from the Mishnaic and Talmudic eras, up until about a hundred years ago being called "Palestinians" on Wikipedia as a follow-through from the many articles that have been copied and pasted from the old Jewish Encyclopedia and which collectively create the wrong impression. Such are the hazards of relying on dated information, long-discarded terminology, and unsuitable writing and communication styles. Wikipedia as a modern encyclopedia should not be relying on archaic terms such as "Palestinian rabbis" that could potentially cause grave misunderstanding. I think that from the time of the British Mandate of Palestine, also shortened to "the British Mandate" and sometimes "Palestine," that Jews were associated with those terms from 1923 until 1948 when the modern State of Israel was declared. I hope that you have noted that I am most definitely NOT saying that whenever the Jewish Encyclopedia uses the term "Palestine" that the single word "Israel" should be used -- obviously I do not mean that because when Israel is used alone on Wikipedia it refers to the MODERN State of Israel only. On the other hand, what I am saying is that when the word "Palestine" is used in archaic sources that predate modern Israel, and when writing about Judaic topics that relate to the Middle Ages, Talmudic, or Biblical times, then the better, more accurate, less controversial term for Wikipedia to use is "Land of Israel" which is historically what the Jewish people, and everyone else in academic life, have and do still call it. Hope I have clarified myself, and thanks for caring. IZAK 12:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
  • OK, I think I get the drift. I will pay attention to it in the future. (Don't be so down on the Jewish Encyclopedia though! It's an incredible work, written by some tremendous scholars. I think these articles significantly raise the quality of Wikipedia, whether their English is somewhat archaic or not. If you compare a JE-borrowed Wikipedia article to one written by "the masses," you can't but be struck by the difference in quality and scholarship. The typical Jewish Wikipedian (myself included) is not capable of producing articles of anything like that caliber. Most Wikipedians cannot even be bothered to cite the sources for the couple of factoids they manage to dredge up from their memory of 10th grade.) Thanks again for the clarification. Dfass 15:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Hi Dfass: I am not down on the old Jewish Encyclopedia at all, and I fully agree with you that it is a more than masterly work of scholarship. But is was written in the context of the culture of over a hundred years ago as a product of the nineteenth century! My specific concern at this stage was only about how the meaning and application of the word/s "Palestine" and "Palestinian" are getting "lost in the cut-and-paste process" because one hundred years ago, "Palestinian" was used as an academic adjective as for example, together with "rabbis" ("Palestinian rabbi/s") or the Talmud ("Palestinian Talmud"). Up until 1948 the words "Palestine" and "Palestinians" still had application/s to Jews because of the existaence of the British Mandate of Palestine until 1948 in the territories of historically Jewish Land of Israel. Since then, the name "Palestine" and "Palestinians" has shed any connection to Jews and the modern Jewish State of Israel which was set up in contradistinction to an Arab Palestine. Particularly since the rise of the PLO (the Palestine Liberation Organization), following the 1967 Six-Day War, the term and notion of "Palestine" and "Palestinians" has become thoroughly and exclusively connected with the Arab Palestinians to the point that no-one (not in politics, academics, the media, religion, etc) associates the name "Palestine" and "Palestinians" with the Jews or Judaism, so that it can safely be said that the notion of a "Palestinian Jew" is an archaic anachronistic discarded notion. So when cutting and pasting articles from the one hundred year old Jewish Encyclopedia, one should not fall into a "time warp trap" by blindly pasting articles from it without some sensible updates, and not to inadvertantly recreate and foster terminology for Jews and Jewish Israelis that neither they nor the world accepts or recognizes. One needs to be conscious that the term "Land of Israel" is a well-established name that has survived for a long time and is still the preferred term of choice when speaking in modern terms, so that Jews not be confused with Arabs and vice versa. By speaking of the Category:Rabbis of the Land of Israel, meaning rabbis (or any Jews) associated with a historic geographic area, one also avoids problems such as calling pre-1948 rabbis or people "Israelites" -- used only for people in the Biblical era or "Israelis" -- which refers to citizens of the modern State of Israel. Thanks for your input. IZAK 07:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Anne LeBaron

Hi, thanks for recent bio adds. Can you possibly find birth date for Anne LeBaron? Thanks, as always, Badagnani 11:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Please use edit summaries

Hello. Please be courteous to other editors and use edit summaries when updating articles. The Mathbot tool shows your usage of edit summaries to be low:

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Using edit summaries helps other editors quickly understand your edits, which is especially useful when you make changes to articles that are on others' watchlists. Thanks and happy editing! --Kralizec! (talk) 15:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Jon Alpert

Hi, can you find birth info for the reporter and filmmaker Jon Alpert? Badagnani 15:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Carol Plantamura

Hi, can you find birth info for Carol Plantamura? Badagnani 10:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Bertice Berry

Hello, could you find the exact birthplace and birth date of Bertice Berry? Badagnani 04:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Lee Pui Ming

Hi, can you find an exact birthdate for Lee Pui Ming? Badagnani 23:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Ajemians

Hmm, some new editor has just added different birth years for Maro Ajemian and Anahid Ajemian. Is it possible that some birth dates in the LC auth. file are incorrect? Badagnani 17:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I get the sense that the anon knows what s/he is talking about, as the Maro Ajemian birth date agrees with the age she died. I've written to him/her to ask how s/he knows this information, so I'll let you know. Sure, if you can find birth info on the Ajemians elsewhere that would be great. Badagnani 17:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Susana Baca

Can you find exact birth info for Susana Baca? Badagnani 19:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Categories and birth year precision

Regarding your changes to pages such as Grenville Goodwin, Jean Martineau, Hector McKinnon... do not use exact birth year categories when the birth year cannot be precisely determined. For example, Grenville Goodwin died aged 53 on 28 August 1951 does not automatically mean an 1898 birth. The birth year could have been 1897 if he was born after 28 August 1897, making your category change incorrect. These should be left as less precise birth year categories until the exact year can be verified. Dl2000 21:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Fred Ho

Hi, can you find the exact birth date for Fred Ho? Badagnani 19:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Greg Banaszak

Thanks for Fred Ho info; can you find birthplace and date for Greg Banaszak? Badagnani 03:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Spencer Wells

Hi, can you find the birthplace of Spencer Wells? Badagnani 08:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Foday Musa Suso

Do you think you could find the birth date for Foday Musa Suso? Badagnani 09:39, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for categorization work

Thanks for doing all that categorization work on the Jewish biographical articles. If the Wiki people ever get around to implementing some kind of ontology tools, having categories will be hugely helpful. —Dfass 17:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Helping out with the Unassessed Wikipedia Biographies

Seeing that you are an active member of the WikiBiography Project, I was wondering if you would help lend a hand in helping us clear out the amount of unassessed articles tagged with {{WPBiography}}. Many of them are of stub and start class, but a few are of B or A caliber. Getting a simple assessment rating can help us start moving many of these biographies to a higher quality article. Thank you! --Ozgod 20:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Biography March 2007 Newsletter

The March 2007 issue of the Biography WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Mocko13 22:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Willard Rhodes

Hi, can you find birth and death info for Willard Rhodes? Badagnani 02:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Ida Halpern

Can you find birth and death specifics for Ida Halpern? Badagnani 02:28, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

David Behrman

Hi, could you verify birth info for David Behrman? Badagnani 08:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Jewish Encyclopedia Category

I had not seen it. Thanks for letting me know. I threw in my 2 cents for keep, although I was never completely thrilled with the category myself. I still think there is enough value to keep it, especially when there is not a good reason given in favor of deletion. —Dfass 02:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Alan Greenberg (film director)

Hi, is there any chance you could find info about Alan Greenberg (film director)? Badagnani 00:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

John Davison (composer)

Could you find birth and death information for John Davison (composer)? Badagnani 00:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Alan Feinberg

One more: Alan Feinberg (a pianist from New York). Badagnani 01:50, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Linda Stein (artist)

Any possibility to find birth info for Linda Stein (artist)? Badagnani 05:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Lenny Pickett

Here's another one: the saxophonist Lenny Pickett. Badagnani 09:40, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Archimedes

The Latin word Circa is abbreviated as c. in the article as this is the most common form.--Ianmacm 13:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

George Carlo

Could you possibly find birth info about George Carlo/George L. Carlo/George Louis Carlo? Badagnani 08:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Great work! Thank you! Badagnani 09:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The WikiProject Biography Newsletter: Issue II - April 2007

The April 2007 issue of the WikiProject Biography newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you BetacommandBot 18:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Victor A. Marcial-Vega

Hi, could you find birth info for Victor A. Marcial-Vega? Badagnani 19:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Sarah Chayes

Could you find birth info for Sarah Chayes? Badagnani 23:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Yohannes Haile-Selassie

Here's another one for which we need birth info: the paleoanthropologist Yohannes Haile-Selassie. Badagnani 03:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Layne Redmond

Hi, could you find birth info for Layne Redmond? Badagnani 02:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Bruno Nettl

Hi, do you think you could find birth info for Bruno Nettl? Badagnani 22:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Klaus Wachsmann

Thanks for Nettl info; here's another ethnomusicologist for whom we need birth info: Klaus Wachsmann. Badagnani 06:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Rudy Maxa

Hi, can you find birth info for Rudy Maxa? Badagnani 19:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Han Kuo-Huang

Here's another one: Han Kuo-Huang. Badagnani 06:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

John Diercks

One more: John Diercks. Badagnani 06:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Al-Kindi

What was this about? Years shouldn't be linked like this (see the MoS), and "Muslim scholar" isn't a region. Moreover, this wasn't a minor edit as you marked it, and you gave no edit summary. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 13:56, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

If other articles think that "Muslim scholar" is a region, then either they should be corrected or the template should be reworded. Are there any others, aside from the one that you mentioned? Incidentally, something that you might like to work on is the adding of Julian/Gregorian-calendar dates to articles that use only "AH"; the MoS says "You can give dates in any appropriate calendar, as long as you also give the date in either the Julian or Gregorian calendar [...] For example, an article on the early history of Islam may give dates in both the Islamic calendar and the Julian calendar" — see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Different calendars.

The linking of years not especially relevant to the article is deprecated in a number of places, (most clearly at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (links), and is essentially ruled out by the general MoS guuidance as to when to add links. The MoS is, unfortunately, not always clear, and parts of it are in tension with other parts. I'm currently trying to get some consistency in place. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 12:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Haleh Esfandiari

Can you find birth info for Haleh Esfandiari? Badagnani 21:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

James M. Adovasio

Thanks for Esfandiari; here's a new one: James M. Adovasio. Badagnani 01:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Paul Hawken

Hi, thanks for Adovasio; can you find info on Paul Hawken? Badagnani 07:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Karine Saporta

Hi, can you find exact birth date for the French choreographer Karine Saporta? Badagnani 08:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Glen Velez

Hi, can you find birth info for Glen Velez? Badagnani 18:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive

Bruce Langhorne

Hi, could you possibly find birth info for Bruce Langhorne? Badagnani 02:33, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

John Perkins

Can you find birth information for John Perkins? Badagnani 12:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Harry Manx

Hi, thanks for finding the info on the previous; could you find birth year for Harry Manx? Badagnani 06:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Bruce Molsky

Hi, can you find the exact birth date for Bruce Molsky? Badagnani 06:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Sumarsam

Can you find exact birth info on Sumarsam? Badagnani 06:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Betty Freeman

Hi, can you find birth info for Betty Freeman? Thanks, Badagnani 17:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Harold Bloom

Hi, can you find exact birth info for Harold Bloom? Badagnani 22:19, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Scott Corbett

Here's a new one: the author Scott Corbett. Badagnani 05:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Elizabeth Falconer

Hi, can you find birth info for Elizabeth Falconer? Badagnani 04:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Jeff Greenfield

Can you find birth info for Jeff Greenfield? Badagnani 05:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Cacciaguida

If the birth/death dates are unsure, we prefere not to link them. Also, the correspondent cat should be, say "1140s births" etc. anyway thanks for the style corrections. Good work!!! --Attilios 14:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Ciao! Thanks for remark. It can be OK for the starting paragraph; that's just a matter of style. But, I think that page is not updated about the existence of "1450s births" categories: otherwise, which would be the difference when the year is known or just approximate? If you check, most biographies with approximate date are categorized this way. Good work again! --Attilios 14:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Service award

Just to let you know, you qualify for this. This award is based strictly on your time on Wikipedia and edit count. You're the most senior editor I've given one of these out to so far. Congrats! --BrokenSphere 19:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Amy X Neuburg

Hi, congratulations on your award--you deserve it! Can you find a birth date for Amy X Neuburg? Badagnani 02:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

DC Meetup notice

Greetings. There is going to be a Washington DC Wikipedia meetup on next Saturday, July 21st at 5pm in DC. Since you are listed in Category:Wikipedians_in_Maryland, I thought I'd invite you to come. I'm sorry about the short notice for the meeting. Hopefully we'll do somewhat better in that regard next time. If you can't come but want to make sure that you are informed of future meetings be sure to list yourself under "but let me know about future events", and if you don't want to get any future direct notices \(like this one\), you can list yourself under "I'm not interested in attending any others either" on the DC meetup page.--Gmaxwell 00:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Ben Belitt

Hi, could you find exact birth info for Ben Belitt? Badagnani 18:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Vang Pao

Could you find exact birth info for Vang Pao? Badagnani 02:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Kitty Brazelton

Hi, can you find exact birth name, place, and date for Kitty Brazelton? Badagnani 02:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Alan Abel

Can you find exact birth info for Alan Abel? Badagnani 05:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Bernard Goldberg

Can you find birth info for Bernard Goldberg? Badagnani 00:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

End of WP:Bio assessment drive

I have reraised the issue (see towards the bottom) as to whether assessors should receive all the awards they qualify for or only the highest one. Your input is appreciated. BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 18:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Award

		The Original Barnstar
		I hereby award The Original Barnstar to FeanorStar7 in recognition of assessing over 1270 articles for WikiProject Biography's Summer 2007 Assessment Drive. Psychless 01:01, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Curtis Willkie

A {{prod}} template has been added to the article Curtis Willkie, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with {{db-author}}. KenWalker | Talk 15:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Link to years

We no longer link years--only full dates, such as January 1, 2007. --Thus Spake Anittas 10:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

It seems that there is no consensus on linking to years. I thought there was, but that only applies to day and month. Sorry. --Thus Spake Anittas 11:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography Newsletter 5

The Biography WikiProject Newsletter Volume IV, no. 4 - September 2007
Project News The three-month long Summer Assessment Drive, organized by Psychless, was a huge success! It ran from June 1 – September 1, and reduced the backlog of unassessed articles from 113,385 to 56,237. In all, over 100,000 articles were assessed. Over 60 people contributed in some way. A barnstar has been created for exceptional work on Wikipedia biographies and for assisting the project. The Biography Barnstar is listed with the other WikiProject awards and can be awarded easily with a template. See the template page for more details. Member News Congratulations to the editors who worked on the newest featured biographies: Augustus; William Shakespeare; Adriaen van der Donck; Alfred Russel Wallace; Alison Krauss; Anne Frank; Anne of Denmark; Asser; Bart King; Bill O'Reilly; Bobby Robson; Bradley Joseph; CM Punk; Ceawlin of Wessex; Colley Cibber; Cædwalla of Wessex; Dominik Hašek; Elizabeth Needham; Frank Macfarlane Burnet; Georg Cantor; Gregory of Nazianzus; Gunnhild Mother of Kings; Gwen Stefani; Hannah Primrose, Countess of Rosebery; Harriet Arbuthnot; Harry S. Truman; Henry, Bishop of Uppsala; Héctor Lavoe; Ine of Wessex; Ion Heliade Rădulescu; Jack Sheppard; Jackie Chan; Jay Chou; John Martin Scripps; John Mayer; Joseph Francis Shea; Joshua A. Norton; Kate Bush; Kazi Nazrul Islam; Kevin Pietersen; Martin Brodeur; Mary Martha Sherwood; Mary of Teck; Maximus the Confessor; Miranda Otto; Muhammad Ali Jinnah; P. K. van der Byl; Penda of Mercia; Pham Ngoc Thao; Rabindranath Tagore; Ramón Emeterio Betances; Red Barn Murder; Richard Hakluyt; Richard Hawes; Robert Garran; Roman Vishniac; Ronald Niel Stuart; Ronald Reagan; Roy Welensky; Rudolph Cartier; Samuel Adams; Samuel Beckett; Sarah Churchill, Duchess of Marlborough; Sarah Trimmer; Sargon of Akkad; Shen Kuo; Sophie Blanchard; Stereolab; Sydney Newman; Sylvanus Morley; Tim Duncan; Timeline of Mary Wollstonecraft; Uncle Tupelo; Waisale Serevi; Wallis, Duchess of Windsor; Walter Model; William Bruce; William Goebel; Yagan; Zhou Tong; Æthelbald of Mercia; Æthelbald of Mercia New Members Congratulations to our 225 new members	From the Editors The newsletter is back! Many things have gone on during the past few months, but many things have not. While the assessment drive helped revitalize the assessment department of the project, many other departments have received no attention. Most notably: peer review and our "workgroups". A day long IRC meeting has been planned for October 13th, with the major focus being which areas of the project are "dead", what should our goals be as a project, and how to "revive" the dead areas of our project. Contribute to the discussion on the the new channel (see below) We decided to deliver this newsletter to all project members this month but only those with their names down here will get it delivered in the future. This is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue. Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned or post news on the next issue's talk page New irc channel Lastly, a new WikiProject Biography channel has been set up on the freenode network: #wikipedia-en-bio Our thanks to Phoenix 15 for setting it up. Contributors to this Issue Psychless (talk · contribs) Phoenix 15 (talk · contribs)
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Ashikaga shogunate

It's not that you were wrong -- just not right, I suspect? Or perhaps I should suggest that your edit might not have been a needed improvement?

Maybe it's enough for me to explain that I didn't understand your recent category edit for Ashikaga Yoshiaki? If you were entirely correct in your view, I would have thought it necessary to metastasize this change throughout the serial heads of the Ashikaga shogunate:

• 1. Ashikaga Takauji (1305–1358) (r. 1338–1358)
• 2. Ashikaga Yoshiakira (1330–1368) (r. 1359–1368)
• 3. Ashikaga Yoshimitsu (1358–1408) (r. 1368–1394)
• 4. Ashikaga Yoshimochi (1386–1428) (r. 1395–1423)
• 5. Ashikaga Yoshikazu (1407–1425) (r. 1423–1425)
• 6. Ashikaga Yoshinori (1394–1441) (r. 1429–1441)
• 7. Ashikaga Yoshikatsu (1434–1443) (r. 1442–1443)
• 8. Ashikaga Yoshimasa (1436–1490) (r. 1449–1473)
• 9. Ashikaga Yoshihisa (1465–1489) (r. 1474–1489)
• 10. Ashikaga Yoshitane (1466–1523) (r. 1490–1493, 1508–1521)
• 11. Ashikaga Yoshizumi (1480–1511) (r. 1495–1508)
• 12. Ashikaga Yoshiharu (1510–1550) (r. 1522–1547)
• 13. Ashikaga Yoshiteru (1536–1565) (r. 1547–1565)
• 14. Ashikaga Yoshihide (1540–1568) (r. 1568)
• 15. Ashikaga Yoshiaki (1537–1597) (r. 1568–1573)

Yes, Ashikaga is a family name, but so is Tokugawa ... which would mean that a similar change would need to be accomplished for the heads of the Tokugawa shogunate ...?

• 1. Tokugawa Ieyasu (徳川家康, 1543–1616) (ruled 1603–1605)
• 2. Tokugawa Hidetada (徳川秀忠, 1579–1632) (r. 1605–1623)
• 3. Tokugawa Iemitsu (徳川家光, 1604–1651) (r. 1623–1651)
• 4. Tokugawa Ietsuna (徳川家綱, 1641–1680) (r. 1651–1680)
• 5. Tokugawa Tsunayoshi (徳川綱吉, 1646–1709) (r. 1680–1709)
• 6. Tokugawa Ienobu (徳川家宣, 1662–1712) (r. 1709–1712)
• 7. Tokugawa Ietsugu (徳川家継, 1709–1716) (r. 1713–1716)
• 8. Tokugawa Yoshimune (徳川吉宗, 1684–1751) (r. 1716–1745)
• 9. Tokugawa Ieshige (徳川家重, 1711–1761) (r. 1745–1760)
• 10. Tokugawa Ieharu (徳川家治, 1737–1786) (r. 1760–1786)
• 11. Tokugawa Ienari (徳川家斉, 1773–1841) (r. 1787–1837)
• 12. Tokugawa Ieyoshi (徳川家慶, 1793–1853) (r. 1837–1853)
• 13. Tokugawa Iesada (徳川家定, 1824–1858) (r. 1853–1858)
• 14. Tokugawa Iemochi (家茂, 1846–1866) (r. 1858–1866)
• 15. Tokugawa Yoshinobu (徳川慶喜, 1837–1913) (r. 1867–1868)

Was this your intention?

In both cases, the family name is understood more broadly as a descriptive modifier. I wonder if this helps clarify my revert? If what I've done is a mistake, this will help you better understand a part of the reasoning which informs my error. --Ooperhoofd 19:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Van Hansis

You can always revert my edits - it's not going to bother me. The reason I reverted your edit is because the formatting was incorrect. I should have taken the time to correct the format instead of the reversion, but I don't ever use 'sort' tags. Can you link me to the template page, so I can see what these things to? Feel free to re-add. the_undertow ^talk 21:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Jusepe de Ribera

Please don't make erroneous changes like this without raising the matter on the talk page first; thank you. Johnbod (talk) 07:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

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