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This illustration would fit better in a new entry for the Holly King. It doesn't represent Father Time. A caption should note that it's a late 19th century engraving. The sleeping babe is garlanded with Convallaria (Lily-of-the-Valley) Wetman 01:49, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Also, wouldn't it look better if made black and white? Paranoid 20:57, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure Father Time appears somewhere in the Chronicles of Narnia, but I don't recall which book. Jutari 1 Jan 2006
According to the article Time and fate deities in popular culture: "In The Chronicles of Narnia, Father Time is a giant who spends the entire history of Narnia sleeping in an underground cavern (as revealed in The Silver Chair). He awakes to herald the end of Narnia at Judgment Day in The Last Battle." Orcoteuthis (talk) 21:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Cartoons
The giant Warner Bros box seems inappropriate, given that Father Time is a somewhat older concept. It should be removed, or the Warner Bros character should be given his own article. -Ahruman 12:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Origins
need origins section, citations of the term's first usages in literature And previous figures from which he might have been derived, probably would include Odin, god of time. i dont have books on this subject so. this is a call for help.Some thing 16:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. I am working on it now...just collecting sources...etc...It's safe to say that the idea of Father Time (and other derived beings such as King Frost and the later Father Christmas) who it should be noted are largely English customs come from the God Woden (Norse: Odin) predominately with only a smattering of other heathen gods (a fair bit of his imagery is connected to Saturn), even if it is popular on Wikipedia to equate most folk customs with the Celts or Romans rather than the Anglo-Saxons. It's a bias that is starting to loosen (thankfully). - Sigurd
- There's really nothing Woden-like about Father Time as far as I can see. Father Christmas, yes, but the two characters are not the same. It is clearly based upon earlier images of the Grim Reaper and Saturn. It's not a bias to equate popular figures in the Western World with Roman ones when so much of the Western World is based upon Greco-Roman concepts. DreamGuy 20:44, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
No it is not biased to do so...it is biased to claim them as a sole source. If you look into Germanic Heathenism you would see that not only Father Time and Woden, Grim Reaper and Saturn, are similar but also Saturn, the Grim Reaper and Woden in themselves. All have a strong association with Death and the nature of time, Woden was a leader of the dead as is the Grim Reaper. Woden is often depicted as a hooded figure, bearded and with a stick. A similar description to Father Time and Saturn and also to a lesser extent the Grim Repear. A lesser connection, but not unimportant one, between Woden and the Grim Reaper is the fact that the Old English name of Woden 'Grimm' and a Norse name 'Grimnir' both have the element 'Grim' from *Grimmaz (originally meaning cruel, furious or fierce). So whether or not you believe Father Time to be derived solely from Saturn and the Grim Reaper or not, to say that there is "nothing Woden-like about Father Time" is a fallacious statement, most 'faiths' have deities that can correspond somewhat to another faith's deities, in fact Woden share's similarities with Mercury, Jupiter, Ukko, Lugus, and various other deities from the other world, in this case though the similarities and are rather striking and it seems to me (and others) to be obviously that Woden was connected to lore from the Greco-Roman world in this case. - Sigurd —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.67.114 (talk) 12:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
- This is an encyclopedia. We need sourced, expert information, not mere speculation. People can go through any myths of any cultures and pick and choose similarities, but tha's not necessarily evidence that one or the other came from each other. he article used to claim that Father Time came from Odin, and there's no evidence to support that conclusion other than wishful thinking by some people who want to give more influence to non-Greco-Roman figures. DreamGuy (talk) 14:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pakiž
Father Time is called "Pakiž" in which countries? And why is name worth mention in in the English article? Orcoteuthis (talk) 21:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
