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Father's Day
Observed by	Most countries
Type	Historical
Date	Varies regionally
Related to	Mother's Day

Contents 1 Starting in 2007 Switzerland celebrates Father's Day on 3rd Sunday of June 2 Doctor Who 3 U.S. date? 4 "Father's Day" in Dutch 5 Celebrated where? 6 Trivia - nine months before mothers day 7 Hallmark Holiday 8 Countries with other celebration dates 9 List english speaking countries @ top of country listing? 10 Requested move 10.1 Survey 11 Johnson vs Nixon - consistency 12 Countries with other modes of celebrating 13 Um, It talks about the "battle of Iransop".... 14 Vandalism 15 Sonora Smart Dodd 16 Misspelled name 17 Re-protection 18 Requested move 19 Small mistake. Well, not that small at all... 20 Romania doesn't celebrate Father's Day 21 Quick Reference Date 22 Punctuation Error 23 Belgium 24 Not in the UK

[edit] Starting in 2007 Switzerland celebrates Father's Day on 3rd Sunday of June

For the first time Father's Day was celebrated in Switzerland this year. It will henceforth be celebrated on the third Sunday of June. The list should be up-dated accordingly, please.

Gandalfsson

[edit] Doctor Who

Father's Day is also a Doctor Who episode. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father%27s_Day_%28Doctor_Who%29) Add a link?

• Is this really necessary? Anybody who's looking for Dr. Who episodes can use the List of Doctor Who serials. Surely there are dozens of TV shows, movies, brands, books, etc named "Father's Day". --Tadhg 13:11, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • If that's so, a disambiguation page would be in order. Caesura[[User_talk:Caesura|^{ihihhhoiohoihŔbe "Fathers' Day" (which redirects here)? --Morbid-o 12:57, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)}
• ^{That's a good point. I'd also be more inclined to use "Fathers' Day". Six of one, half a dozen of the other, I suppose. Take a look here for an analysis. For now, the article is better off where the dictionary says it should be; Father's Day. --Tadhg 13:11, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)}
  • ^{If a dictionary gets it wrong, it's even more important that we get it right. It's true that pragmatism should often win over pedantry, but because we would use re-direction there is no chance of anyone not finding the article. I vote for swapping the article with the redirection. 195.248.125.91 14:39, 9 April 2006 (UTC)}
• ^{Depends on whether you have one or more fathers, I only have the one, so it's father's day. --Andy-106 09:15, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)}
  • ^{I always took Fathers' Day and Mothers' Day to be days in honor of all mothers and fathers, not just a specific father or mother. Nik42 05:44, 26 March 2006 (UTC)}
    • ^{Right. The day is not in honour of just your father Andy-106, so if you write "father's" you are wrong. And if it was in honour of just your father, it would be wrong for me to write "father's" because that would refer to my father, who is probably not also your father. 195.248.125.91 14:39, 9 April 2006 (UTC)}

^{To find out how to spell it, just go back to the form used by the person who came up with the holiday: singular possessive: Father's Day. —— "This day is for Father" is the idea. Whose father? It comes from the idea that each person in the majority of the population would honor only one father; yes, it fails to consider that some persons may have more than one person that they consider fathers—but that's how it began. —— I used to think it was plural possessive, Fathers' Day, for honoring all the fathers; but as I understand it, Ms. Dodd and Ms. Jarvis were thinking of a single father and a single mother for each person. —— Think of "Take Your Child to Work" Day: it's not "All of You Multiple Persons, Take Your Children to Work" Day: the name of the holiday addresses a singular person (though it does seem to forget that many persons have more than one children—but, then again, perhaps it's often impractical for one adult to bring multiple kids to work). And the general assumption is that each person has just one father, one mother, &c. —— It's true that there's more than one logical way to approach the spelling of the name; but we should give some credit to the intentions of the person who named it (at least in the U.S.). I am for the 'Oxford' comma ("A, B, and C", as opposed to "A, B and C"); but, when the author of a book chooses to entitle the book X, Y & Z, without the Oxford comman, and with an ampersand instead of and, I should respect the author's choice and imitate it when mentioning the author's book. —— And as to the idea that one person's dad may not be the same as another person's dad, expressed to Andy-106: when you're at work, and you say to your unrelated colleague "Dad is coming to visit this weekend", your colleague understands (1) that you mean your father and (2) that you're not implying that your colleague has the same dad as you. President Lethe 16:48, 9 April 2006 (UTC)}

^{Good point. You should always give credit to the author's spelling, even when they're "wrong". Yet then again, it could be thought that Father's Day belongs to more than one individual. How do various governments spell it - that would be another indication of the "correct" spelling. - Matthew238 23:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)}

^{I agree that the author's spelling should be respected - and in that case, someone should change the citations for the article. The titles of both articles clearly utilize "Father's" but the citation incorrectly shows "Fathers'." I also haven't seen a case made for utilizing "Fathers' Day" in the general entry. The points raised above are valid and make a good case for changing the article to "Father's Day." It would also then be utilizing the same form as the "Mother's Day" article. Its odd that in the first line of the article it references Fathers' Day and then Mother's Day. I could understand if there was support somewhere for it but there isn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.135.181 (talk) 16:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)}

^{[edit] U.S. date?}

^{There is a list of dates for different countries, but no U.S. date. There is a U.S. History of the holiday section, though, which strikes me as odd. Can we add the date to the list of international dates? Just because it has its own history section doesn't mean it shouldn't have an entry in the dates section.}

^{It's there. Third bullet in the "Date" section. Caesura(t) 01:00, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)}

It would be really really nice if the full date for the next occurrence (in this case June 17, 2007) was listed, not just the formula for computing it! I went here to check when Father's Day was in the US, and I would have preferred not to have to have had to dig out a calendar and do arithmetic to find out! Thanks!

[edit] "Father's Day" in Dutch

Purely as a visual pun, I'd like to know how one says "Happy Father's Day" in Dutch. (I know that "vader" means Father, and I'll make a card depicting ... well ... guess who.) Anyone got a translation? ;) --Yar Kramer 05:00, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

A quick Google search gives "Gelukkige Vaderdag". The Dutch Wikipedia entry to which this article is linked is indeed entitled Vaderdag, substantiating that result. Caesura^(t) 01:00, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks a million. --Yar Kramer 03:08, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Celebrated where?

The little box near the top of the article says Father's Day is celebrated in "most" countries; yet, the article lists its date in not even 20% of the world's countries. Let's get the dates for more countries, or change "most" to "many". President Lethe 05:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I just translated a bunch from the French version of the page. I'm sure there could be more merged from articles in other languages. Cnadolski 15:51, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia - nine months before mothers day

I've added the bit of trivia about Fathers Day being nine months before mothers day - I think it's quite amusing (and relevant), but if you don't like it - that's fine! --Gavinio 08:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

It's not true for the majority of countries. Was already removed when I left this comment. Jwigton 22:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hallmark Holiday

I've heard it was created by Hallmark to sell greeting cards.

(Please, sign your posts on Talk pages.) I've heard the same thing said about Mother's Day. But (1) the American version of Mother's Day was begun by one woman, in Washington State, in 1908; (2) Father's Day was begun by another woman, in West Virginia, in 1910, to copy Mother's Day; and (3) what became Hallmark in 1928 began when a man, in Missouri in 1910, started selling picture postcards. — President Lethe 00:22, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Countries with other celebration dates

Shouldn't we sort it by date instead of by countries? Isn't it easier to read then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.134.121.18 (talk • contribs)

If you come to an article looking for dates for Father's Day, aren't you going to want to look up a country and find the date for that country? (Unless, of course, you're looking for any excuse to honor your father, so you want to find the nearest occurance of father's day) :-) —Mets501 (talk) 21:21, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree. If I were reading about Father's Day and wanted to find out the date in a country, I would hope the list of countries would be alphabetized. The reasons for calendar listing, while clear, seem weaker. Of course, we could make a table with two columns, one sorted by date and one sorted by country. But, forced to choose only one, I would pick alphabetization. Either way, if you're looking for something specific in a hurry, you just use your browser to search the page for the text you want to find. Also, if we went by date, what would we do about the fact that some countries have it on a fixed date (the xth day of a month) while others have it on a variable date (the yth zday of a month)? President Lethe 22:21, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List english speaking countries @ top of country listing?

Afterall, this is the en.wiki. semi-anon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.181.106.10 (talk) 01:33, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

So what?--Hartmut Haberland 08:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 08:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Not that this would be decisive, but in Danish it's Fars dag, not Fædrenes dag, and in German Vatertag, not Vätertag (both Father's Day, not Fathers' Day), so even if it were more logical to have the plural, Danish and German speakers are equally illogical.--Hartmut Haberland 08:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Johnson vs Nixon - consistency

The article currently claims: "In 1966, President Lyndon Johnson made Father's Day a holiday to be celebrated on the third Sunday of June. The holiday was not officially recognized until 1972, during the presidency of Richard Nixon." In what way did Johnson "make [it] a holiday" if this act didn't constitute official recognition? As phrased, this is self-contradictory.

[edit] Countries with other modes of celebrating

The article says: "Father's Day is celebrated on a variety of dates worldwide, and typically involves gift-giving to fathers and family-oriented activities."

Well, except for Germany, where it doesn't involve gift-giving and is actually an excuse to get away from the family and have a piss-up. Just FYI, I can't tell if that's Wikipedia-worthy information. Clmeier 16:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

The article also states that the German practice of taking a hike with a hand wagon loaded with alcohol and hearty snacks is "unusual" today. This may be true for some areas of Germany, in the north / north west of Germany it is most certainly not, as witnessed by the author on many a sad occasion when severely annoyed by hordes of poor examples of fatherhood in various states of inebriation. Schmartin 21:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Um, It talks about the "battle of Iransop"....

As far as I know, there is no such place, let alone a battle for said place. Can anyone either find the battle/place, or change/correct it? This is the only link in google for it. Joe I 05:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

and this is a quote from wikipedia, so it's circular. --Hartmut Haberland 10:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I've removed it. It's likely nonsense, and at a minimum it's unverifiable. There's no instance of the word Iransop that isn't copied form this article. ScottW 22:58, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Be aware of 122.163.170.197 as he continually vandals the reference page. Warrush 19:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC) This is getting rediculous, im putting the article up for semi protection. Warrush 23:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

It's really too bad this page had to be locked for protection. The article needs some cleanup -- only two sources are cited, the article's organization seems cluttered, and several sentences are awkwardly written and could be smoothed out. The page doesn't need a massive cleanup; however it does need a bunch of minor, corrective edits. And thanks to somebody's senseless vandalism, prospective editors like myself can't do a thing to help fix this page. Thanks! 66.17.118.195 14:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sonora Smart Dodd

On this page it says she suggested June 5th as it was the anniversary of her father's death, however on her page it says it was her birthday. Which is correct? --Cherie

[edit] Misspelled name

The Thai King name is mispelled. His name is Bhumibol Adulyadej 131.215.7.198 03:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re-protection

I have put the page up for Semi-Protecton AGAIN. Link spammers are back. Warrush 13:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

I want this moved. Grammatically and with correct punctuation it should be written as "Fathers' Day", as the day is to celebrate all fathers and not one particular father.--NeilEvans 19:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Since there is no consensus for move and particularly because there was no consensus for move previously, I am removing the move template. Should you feel that there is support for the move, please follow the guidelines at WP:RM --Lox (t,c) 13:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Small mistake. Well, not that small at all...

It is said, that February 23 is Father's day in Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. Actually, it is National Defender's day (or something like that). I don't know abut exact dates for Father's day in these countries, but it's definetely not February 23rd.

Maksrules (talk) 19:29, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, there is no celebration father's day in these countries, as far as I can tell (no idea about Belarus, but pretty sure about the other two). This comment is original research by virtue of having lived there, by the way. I'll just go ahead and remove that bit now. Elithrion (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I believe in Russia, although this is not a state holiday, it is celebrated on 16th of June in some parts. Not sure 100%, but that's what I've learned from people who were born there. Maksrules (talk) 20:14, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps. I really don't know. I was born (just to be entirely clear) near Moscow and lived there for a while, and it was not celebrated to my knowledge. That said, it's a big country and I wouldn't bet against some section of the population celebrating it at that time. Incidentally, the absence of a Russian- or Ukrainian-language (the two languages I could actually read) version of the page generally speaks against any sort of widely celebrated Father's Day equivalent in those countries. Either way, the current article lists "officially recognised" holidays, so while some minor reference to June 16th could be appropriate if a source were found, there's presently really no good place to put it. Elithrion (talk) 08:16, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Romania doesn't celebrate Father's Day

I've just removed a couple edits that claim that Romania celebrates FD on 9th March, just a day after 8th of March, which is, by the way, very much observed in respect to Women. However this information changed another one that claimed that Romania celebrated FD on the 5th of May! I've checked the article's history and lo and behold, this "information" has been added by an IP on... 5th of May 2007: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.124.254.37 Of course, no sources, and no other edits for the respective IP. So IMHO this was just a Romanian prankster (according the WHOIS information for the IP) that choose the day (s)he made the edit as the anniversary date. So it could have been any other date, for what we know. I've also challenged the user claiming 9th of March as FD celebration day to provide sources for his claims. --Vlad|-> 16:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Choose from the following links:

[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]

Or try Google: 9 martie ziua barbatilor

It's not Father's Day, but Men's Day.

Feel free to bring back my edits. Or not.

May 5th is a publicity stunt by Bergenbier. In 2007 they set up a site [7] and chose May 5th as Men's day. Why May 5th? It's pretty obvious... It's the first Saturday after May 1th -> barbecue, mici and, of course, beer.

More details -> [8]

Edgar (talk) 07:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok for the 5th of May, I remember having read about that publicity stunt. About your source, let's take for instance the 1st link, the hotnews link. It cites its own sources to be Romanian Radio and... Wikipedia (which AFAIK cannot be a trusthworthy source). So I've checked the Romanian article, and here's were the original information has been added: http://ro.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mucenici&oldid=42975 What it is said there: "on the 9th of March IT IS SAID TO BE (my emphasis) the MAN's DAY (my emphasis again) (so NOT the Father's Day). Moreover, between the links returned by Google there are people saying "what is this 9th march being man's day anyway?" So I think what might look like a tradition that is pretty much lost, I don't think that such claim about father's day being celebrated in Romania can be made. While I won't reinstate your edits, feel free to readd them, I won't remove them again, I abhor edit wars. I'll also try to talk with the Romanian editor and ask him for sources too! Thanks! --Vlad|-> 08:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quick Reference Date

I had previously added a 'quick reference date' to the top section of the article, to educate readers as to when Father's Day is commonly observed by most countries for the current year, and to make the article more like the Mother's Day article which does the same thing. It was removed by User:David_Edgar due to complaint of Country Bias.

I used the reference "in the United States" because the holiday originated in the U.S. and is responsible for the date observed in most countries today, and to suggest that the date may differ if the reader is from another country. Countries who observe dates similar to the U.S. know who they are, and can relate to such a reference.

As it is not uncommon to make a specific reference to a country by name, especially for articles about holidays with a national origin, or that is observed largely by a specific country, I am going to revert this edit and put the date and reference back in. Discuss if you feel compromise is necessary. ~ Agvulpine (talk) 10:55, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Punctuation Error

The correct title of this article, and of every mention of the holiday should be "Fathers' Day" rather than "Father's Day". As mentioned in the article already, it's a celebration of "fathers" not of "father." I've tried to make this edit, but have had some of the instances reverted. Does anyone have a valid reason why it should be a singular possessive? --Shubopshadangalang (talk) 20:10, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I updated the reasons at Talk:Mother's_Day#Mother.27s_Day_or_Mothers_Day.3F --Enric Naval (talk) 00:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, perhaps consensus dictates this change, but let's be clear on the reasons why - it's an error either way, and there's a difference between a commonly-made spelling error and "preferred spelling." You've provided a large number of resources (at the Mothers' Day discsussion referenced above), so I can see how this argument can move toward erring on the side of common usage, but it's clearly an error, even if a common one. We have examples of similarly plural holidays in "Presidents Day" (or Presidents' Day), "Veterans Day" (or Veterans' Day), and "Grandparents Day" (these three are celebrations of multiple Presidents, multiple Veterans, and all Grandparents, respectively); while we have appropriately singular examples such as New Year's Day (it celebrates a single year) and Valentine's Day (in honor of St. Valentine, a single individual). --Shubopshadangalang (talk) 02:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Belgium

You mention father's day in Belgium on March 19. It's only in a small northern part of Belgium (Antwerp) that father's day is held on the 19th of March (in the same part of Belgium that Mother's day is held on the 15th of August). But in 95% of Belgium father's day is held on the Second (not the third) sunday in June. See the Dutch en French Wikipedia pages.

Wdew (talk) 21:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Not in the UK

I may be wrong, but i am British and have always lived in the UK, and i have never noticed anyone celebrate Fathers' Day. It may occasionally be used as a theme in the media by journalists for particular pieces and articles, but in general i would say it's perceived as a gimmick to sell cards rather than a real commemoration of any kind. Maybe it's just me. However, i've been a father for fourteen years, so i think i would have noticed.

Nineteenthly (talk) 07:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)